4.0 Killed ID

[n3w_3ra]

All of the new changes, for better or for worse have caused a fissure in the island defense community. We no longer fill lobbys within seconds or have inhouse games. Once upon a time we had tons of games with recognizable faces and a real community. I feel like all of the old school players have left because imho the game isn't the same anymore. I don't want to get into if its better or worse.

This game was never really about balancing or gameplay and it never will be. It was about the community of a game that is 13 years old. Everyone knew everyone and what everything did. We knew each others play styles and tactics. I don't even recognize people that play anymore and if I do no one even talks anymore. The updates come out so slowly it cant keep anyone's attention. I don't know how the community agreed to play this version over the 3.9.6 that was never really bitched about. Sure it wasn't balanced but 4.0 is hardly balanced either its been a year or more it feels like now and were further away from 3.9.6 content that we were when we played that version. I feel like 4.0 has been a regression, not a slight regression either. Some things are no longer fun and at the end of the day the only reason anyone plays Island Defense a game that 1 out of a million people has even heard about is for friends and fun and to waste time. Were trying to balance a map that doesn't even have inhouse matches anymore. Who cares if 10 people pick demo or tauren thats what made island defense... island defense.

I see on the forums its a select few people that seem to even care about changes. Its the voice of a minority. Always screaming for new content. We don't need new content, we need what people know. We need what has always been. Don't get me wrong. I know Island defense has been edited by 2 dozen people. I also know that 3.9.6 was far from perfect. Those little imperfections were what made the game fun. Eb at euro? ofc there would be. Thats why you send an eye there as titan and pounce to feed on the noobs. Now? 5 different bases or changes every map release so you can never actually know what the hell is going on. I for see that this 4.0 will slowly chip away at the foundation of the community that keeps this game alive and soon lobbys wont fill at all. Then before anyone realizes what is happening Island Defense will be forgotten in the annals of history. I understand Neco has worked hard on editing the map thus far. I wouldnt want to see his work go to waste. So please either just finish editing the map it cant take that long to finish another 2 titans and tooltips. And let us just keep that version and call it a day. Let the community grow around what it once did. A map that everyone knew the quirks and loved.

[1337hamburger]

I mean some older players may not care for the current version, but let's not kid ourselves.

Island defense like most other parts of wc3 is not doing great because the game is like 13 years old.

[pep]

new unbalanced content would make me play the game again tbh, I agree no1 gives a shit about balance defn now elo is gone, btw i just rekked u on morph. gg

[Remixer]

All of the new changes, for better or for worse have caused a fissure in the island defense community. We no longer fill lobbys within seconds or have inhouse games. Once upon a time we had tons of games with recognizable faces and a real community. I feel like all of the old school players have left because imho the game isn't the same anymore. I don't want to get into if its better or worse.

This game was never really about balancing or gameplay and it never will be. It was about the community of a game that is 13 years old. Everyone knew everyone and what everything did. We knew each others play styles and tactics. I don't even recognize people that play anymore and if I do no one even talks anymore. The updates come out so slowly it cant keep anyone's attention. I don't know how the community agreed to play this version over the 3.9.6 that was never really bitched about. Sure it wasn't balanced but 4.0 is hardly balanced either its been a year or more it feels like now and were further away from 3.9.6 content that we were when we played that version. I feel like 4.0 has been a regression, not a slight regression either. Some things are no longer fun and at the end of the day the only reason anyone plays Island Defense a game that 1 out of a million people has even heard about is for friends and fun and to waste time. Were trying to balance a map that doesn't even have inhouse matches anymore. Who cares if 10 people pick demo or tauren thats what made island defense... island defense.

I see on the forums its a select few people that seem to even care about changes. Its the voice of a minority. Always screaming for new content. We don't need new content, we need what people know. We need what has always been. Don't get me wrong. I know Island defense has been edited by 2 dozen people. I also know that 3.9.6 was far from perfect. Those little imperfections were what made the game fun. Eb at euro? ofc there would be. Thats why you send an eye there as titan and pounce to feed on the noobs. Now? 5 different bases or changes every map release so you can never actually know what the hell is going on. I for see that this 4.0 will slowly chip away at the foundation of the community that keeps this game alive and soon lobbys wont fill at all. Then before anyone realizes what is happening Island Defense will be forgotten in the annals of history. I understand Neco has worked hard on editing the map thus far. I wouldnt want to see his work go to waste. So please either just finish editing the map it cant take that long to finish another 2 titans and tooltips. And let us just keep that version and call it a day. Let the community grow around what it once did. A map that everyone knew the quirks and loved.

The changes of the map isn't the only reason that the old community left and has changed: the fact that the game was old and is now even older has its mark as well - people just move on. And some people just get fed up with things after a certain time - and sadly that is the case with everything, even ID.

The reason games such as League of Legends, Dota, CS:GO etc. stay popular and widely-played is their competitive nature - the competition to be the best. I think that if ID was balanced for many years we'd have a lot bigger community nowadays than it ever was over the last few years. And in my opinion it's the only direction to go towards - if we don't get this map into competitive shape people will play it for fun - but eventually they'll get fed up with it, no longer get joy from that 10 taurens rush or just trolling around - it is indeed fun, but only for a while. Competitive gameplay lasts many times longer, the real question is that are there enough people to compete against? In either case we're heading for the right direction in my eyes.

[n3w_3ra]

I agree with you on the fact people still play cs:go because it is competitive. By Island Defense's nature thought it cant be balanced. So the closest we every had to balance was 3.9.6 when everyone knew what was OP and what wasn't. At least in 3.9.6 you knew strategies to counteract the unbalance of the game so that it could be tilted in your favor. I really cant say too much about 3.9.6 that was unabalanced besides euro that stuck out like a sore thumb. Thats why it was popular. The game has been old for a long time the fact that its old has nothing to do with it dying. If that were the case when mbot and bgn wouldnt have been filling dual lobbys 24 hours a day.

@pep youre still playing.

[DropSHotz]

3.0.6e is goals

[pep]

id got capped right on the street u feel me, shit happens these days in the trap.

[Burn]

3.0.6e 4 lyf.

-Burn

[Faldt]

Wc3 HD remake hype

[aRt)Y]

I mean some older players may not care for the current version, but let's not kid ourselves.

Island defense like most other parts of wc3 is not doing great because the game is like 13 years old.

Besides, most old players leave or get inactive beacause... life.

Even OP will realize he cant play the 12year'old style for ever. :biblethump:

[n3w_3ra]

I mean some older players may not care for the current version, but let's not kid ourselves.

Island defense like most other parts of wc3 is not doing great because the game is like 13 years old.

Besides, most old players leave or get inactive beacause... life.

Even OP will realize he cant play the 12year'old style for ever. :biblethump:

Coming from the guy with 12k post on forums. Youre funny.

[aRt)Y]

I mean some older players may not care for the current version, but let's not kid ourselves.

Island defense like most other parts of wc3 is not doing great because the game is like 13 years old.

Besides, most old players leave or get inactive beacause... life.

Even OP will realize he cant play the 12year'old style for ever. :biblethump:

Coming from the guy with 12k post on forums. Youre funny.

Where's the correlation? :thinking_face:

[n3w_3ra]

You have time to scour an obscure forum all day but playing island defense is "play the 12year'old style"? Cmon, I thought you were smarter than that. The correlation is very easily seen arty, 12k post on an internet forum but you're going to make snide comments about playing an old game. I really expected more maturity from you of all people.

[aRt)Y]

That comment was actually meant to be very serious. Life is the only reason most players get inactive, myself included. I dont know your age nor whether you've a job. But at one point, you will realize keeping up the "level" is no longer possible.

Anyhow, stating 4.0 killed ID is rather dramatic.

[Lynx]

Life is the only reason most players get inactive

Most oldies I'm in contact with still play games.