"Glitching" Discussion

[Sabishii]

Well, then here is a suggestion to maybe solve it, any canceled building will have a few second delay to build them again ?

[Burn]

You chose demo due to having nether is you fuck up along with auto summon walls. You dismiss bubo because you don't want stun. You only want lvl 2 titan so there's not enough damage to nuke you.

Abuse more Burn. I mean seriously that's pathetic. Even for your apparent standards.

And here comes the personal attacks. Mad much?

That's my suggestions because that's what is normally like in a normal game, just starting out, which is prime time for stalling. Bubo is an OP titan even against wall walkers, I can't guarantee my safety against an OP stun nuke even as a wall walker or sheep tagger. Lvl 2 titan is normal for a game. I even suggested

When was the last time someone sheep tag or wall walked against a decent fed titan and won?

Seems like you're getting a little angry, so maybe it's best to stop this discussion.

-Burn

[ShadowZz]

I am getting mad indeed. I read your suggestions every day and wonder why were all given brains at birth. Defending abuse of game mechanics and then picking scenarios where your most favoured as proof of things is exactly why I get mad. It's not even an argument it's just mindless trash being used as evidence of [Insert dumb abuse here].

I watch people wall walk against fossurious 24/7 and get away with it. I watch them do it vs other good titans as well. It's not just a 1 in a million thing I thought up off the top of my head zzzz

[Merex]

And yet you come complaining whining to the suggestions why..?

[Burn]

And I also watch sheep taggers against good titans and get away with it.

This might not be the best place to become mad, this is a place for constructive criticism and should be a friendly environment for all players to suggest their ideas, be it bad or good. If you are here to just whine about 99% of suggestions, you are tackling feedback in a negative manner, and your points are not welcome here.

-Burn

[ShadowZz]

We've had this conversation before Burn and for the record this was my suggestion and you and Av1on have been nothing but negative towards it. This is in no way me being negative to a suggestion so that holds 0 relevance. You have made no suggestions on this topic, you've simply said no.

You can go through all my suggestions and see that every single time without fail you jump in and whine about it because it's a nerf. Well herp derp welcome to gaming. Things become OP and they get nerfed. Difference is I'm happily vocal about nerfing.

[Merex]

It's called opposing arguments to provide both possibilities negatively/positively, life isn't perfect ShadowZz. You either respect the art of arguing or you crash and burn in your own standards of mixed rage/assumptions.

[ShadowZz]

I am simply annoyed that Burn insists upon pretending to be the bigger person and attacking my passion for the game. Irritates me when people want to use big words and claim the good guy act to make others look stupid.

[Neco]

Hi.

Split off from main suggestion post. Please enjoy your discussions here instead.

Thanks!

[ShadowZz]

Thanks @Neco

[Burn]

I've never said you was stupid, merely inexperienced. A lot of your criticism is what I see from a player who hasn't played enough ID to contribute a proper argument. passionate, but inexperienced. Also, forgive me if I don't receive personal attacks well. Also, it seems you take a liking to ignoring a lot of my argument, which makes me feel like arguing with you is a waste of time.

I've given so many examples of why sheep tagging can be just as good as wall walking, and in some cases, even better. Here, I'll give you two timestamps where sheep tag is better than wall walking, where my escape is on cooldown.

Could say the same about good sheep taggers with the use of choke points and good sheep tagging. Argument still stands.

Wall walking just makes Island Defense more interesting, albeit better than sheep tagging in certain ways, does not make it OP enough to get removed.

Pretty decent example showing how OP sheep tag can be against decent titans: https://entgaming.net/replay/view_repla ... 015000.w3g

1:30 I am stalling early at the jump spot bot left of mound against syph with no feet, then golding. (MH much?)
5:15 Stalling again repairing demo walls
5:52 Tedro32 (faerie) wall walks to safety
6:20 Perfect sac revealing titan WW. (MH?)
7:22 Simply walk away from titan since he has no feet.
10:33 titan gets feet and blows a wand, holds position too far, doesn't get first hit off.
10:40 WOTW, but thanks to sheep tag walk, two walls and an un-built RC is blocking his way, saving my life.
12:40 titan tries to trap me again because I have no escape, but I manage to wall jump to safety.
16:30 Perfect sac again. (MH?)

At 10:40 and 12:40, if I was a wall walker instead of a sheep tag walker, I would probably be dead.

Pretty fun replay, I don't know what happens at the end, I might've left to go NG. But I hope it showcases that the perfect sheep tagger can arguably be better than the best wall walker. I'm also far from the best sheep tagger, you can do so much with sheep tagging, it's not even funny.

Here's a youtube video to showcase the extent sheep tagging can do.

-Burn

[ShadowZz]

I completely agree that sheep tagging can have as much of an effect as wall walking. However it is far harder to learn and pull off. Your also never invulnerable to damage sheep tagging. If you sheep tag the titan can either nuke you whilst your escaping or wotw you and walk up to you, then your dead.

All of those downsides are circumvented with wall walking and that's exactly my point. Do you get what I mean?


Off-topic: As for your first paragraph. I read every single thing everyone writes, I don't skip to the "tl;dr" stuff. Imo if you can be bothered to write it then I should be bothered to read it out of respect. However when I read what you write I only comment on things I have a comment for. Like in the last post there no point me commenting on anything other than what I did. It holds no sway in my post so I leave it out as to not clog the conversation.

[Burn]

Well? are you interested in the 1v1 or not?

Simple yes or no question.

-Burn

[ShadowZz]

I get 2fps at best. Foss is up for it go wc3

[Lynx]

hi. please dont turn island defense to what league of legends is to dota 2. it's the skillcap that makes the game fun. id would be boring asfk if it was all about afk basing.