Builder Leaving In game...

[TooNoobForU]

builder leaving in game is basically ruining the game itself.
can we have like a ban for people who leave before 5 mins of the game?

[Mrpond]

builder leaving in game is basically ruining the game itself.
can we have like a ban for people who leave before 5 mins of the game?

i second this motion, its unfair that titans leave just because say a mini dies and they rage quit, same should apply to builders who rage quit becasue someone dies at the start basicly making the game unplayable for the titan at that point. and the builders who remain are probably going to win as they base and theres 0 feed on the map

[aRt)Y]

Titan may leave the game under the condition that 3 or more builders have left the game or became observers as a builder in the first 10 minutes. He can also leave early if there is no basers left (Builders that have already died to the titan are not counted).

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[Stealer]

Titan is guaranteed to lose elo for leaving though, builders are not and often will get elo because 1 titan + 1 mini vs decent eb = lose.

[LightBlue-]

Since when has ELO mattered?

[aRt)Y]

Since when has ELO mattered?

Was about to ask the same.

[TimmyTheTauren]

Just because you don't think ELO matters doesn't mean other people think the same. You have to account for the community, not just yourself.

Personally, I don't give a shit about ELO. Some people definitely do, though, and will certainly not want to just leave the game after a bunch of builders leave in the first three minutes.

[Sat]

Just because you don't think ELO matters doesn't mean other people think the same.

Agreed, case in point.

The game has too many weird differences in acceptable gameplay, and leaving is one. Yesterday 1 person died and 6 more immediately ng'd, leaving Tauren, Demo and Ogre to tb while Titan had a total of 20 gold to take us down. We really shouldn't need to int feed to balance a match.

[Burn]

Too bad, so sad.

Rule shouldn't be reinforced.

It is the AFKers not picking and the intentional observers that need to be banned.

Met a few bastards intentionally not pick because they think they can't win the game.

Edit: just for clarification, generally speaking it's not hard to win if u get an early enough mini that builders start leaving in a common pub game. It just means there are less builders to track down. But it is significantly more boring if you don't get that early minion due to insufficient builders on the map to start with.

In a worst case scenario where all builders start leaving and 3 builders stay behind to Tb, then we'd have to start chain banning builders, which would be detrimental for the island defense community because too many people will be banned; leaving after a mini has always been a tradition amongst ID pubs that it's going to be hard for them to change just like that, resulting in multiple possible bans. If you care so much about your elo, you'd best just get good, or don't play Titan on ur main.

EDIT2: Oh and get gproxy GUI, so you don't DC whilst you titan. Fuck that shit. Might even make the creator fix his bug.

-Burn

[aRt)Y]

Timmy: The point is that ID was not made to be played with ELO, therefore we dont have rules for it (only for elo glitching) (thus idc) and it should not be considered. It is something people can use, yes, but they shouldn't complain about it.

Regarding the enforcement of such a possible rule read burn's post. :|

[eleet]

I agree that when a beginner dies in the first minutes, we can see several builders leaving because they think that you will automatically lose with a minion.
Imo this is the only case where builders should be banned for leaving.

[Lynx]

Just played some games as titan. mass leaves after first blood, plz make it ban able.

[Neco]

Builders leaving the game after someone dies early is kinda crappy, as it ruins the game for everyone (titan, other builders). It's a shame people don't pull together and use teamwork to kill the minion like they're supposed to...

Off topic:
[spoiler=GProxy]

EDIT2: Oh and get gproxy GUI, so you don't DC whilst you titan. Fuck that shit. Might even make the creator fix his bug.

Necofix!

http://1drv.ms/1jSHbMe

Just replace your gproxy.exe with this one, it should work as normal but not kick you when you try to join a non-existant game.

Also fixed a rare case where the gateways would mess up and cause GProxy to not show up properly in WC3.[/spoiler]

[Burn]

Builders leaving the game after someone dies early is kinda crappy, as it ruins the game for everyone (titan, other builders). It's a shame people don't pull together and use teamwork to kill the minion like they're supposed to...

Off topic:

EDIT2: Oh and get gproxy GUI, so you don't DC whilst you titan. Fuck that shit. Might even make the creator fix his bug.

Necofix!

http://1drv.ms/1jSHbMe

Just replace your gproxy.exe with this one, it should work as normal but not kick you when you try to join a non-existant game.

Also fixed a rare case where the gateways would mess up and cause GProxy to not show up properly in WC3.

Necofix OP, there are pages and pages of replies on that thread and not one addresses this problem. Kinda begs the question of whether or not people are using it at all!

Cheers, Neco.
-Burn

[evilmad666]

Too bad, so sad.

Rule shouldn't be reinforced.

It is the AFKers not picking and the intentional observers that need to be banned.

Met a few bastards intentionally not pick because they think they can't win the game.

Edit: just for clarification, generally speaking it's not hard to win if u get an early enough mini that builders start leaving in a common pub game. It just means there are less builders to track down. But it is significantly more boring if you don't get that early minion due to insufficient builders on the map to start with.

In a worst case scenario where all builders start leaving and 3 builders stay behind to Tb, then we'd have to start chain banning builders, which would be detrimental for the island defense community because too many people will be banned; leaving after a mini has always been a tradition amongst ID pubs that it's going to be hard for them to change just like that, resulting in multiple possible bans. If you care so much about your elo, you'd best just get good, or don't play Titan on ur main.

EDIT2: Oh and get gproxy GUI, so you don't DC whilst you titan. Fuck that shit. Might even make the creator fix his bug.

-Burn

I definitely agree with the rule NEVER being reinforced, since the simple fact as is, when somebody leaves, the feed reduction changes in default automatically. Giving titan also another advantage. They should be able to leave at any point of time. Wether it's the start, or wether deny a base full of feed because the titan broke in. It's a strategy used by the builders. PLUS- I also don't think people who afk as builders should be banned either, intentionally or not. Just to go observer. Watching Island Defense games LIVE is fun, and I do it sometimes to. Especially if you just beginning Island Defense, for those visual learners out there. It's a okay strategy to use. BUT I do see your view on that, which in my opinion I believe the changes that should be made is this: Possible public observer slots in the lobby. I would love that. But right now there is one observer slot reserved for admins though /etc G> w. That would fixed the problem more for people who intentionally want to become an observer. Public observer slots. Watching a good game of Island Defense, [url]LIVE[/url] could be educational and fun.