Pubstomping... fixpls

[lordmillt]

I wonder, can we get like a bot that u need X games for join? because i dont feel like its fun to play builder with like 9random people vs a good titan, its a auto lost,

And can we remove elo for ID? it ruins the game very hard for no1 wanna titan on thier main cus dont wanna lose elo..

[Haunt]

About the first idea. At first I liked it, but then I talked with @ShadowZz and we concluded that pubstomping is problem of both teams. We go 3man teams and everyone picks demo and then fuck titan up in 5mins. Or we go titan and pubstomp these 8 DLer builders and 2 other dudes.
So, this new bot wouldn't fix the pubstomping completely, it would just make it one-sided.

Remove ELO ---> profit. Nothing more to say. ELO doesn't add anything good to the game because it's broken for everything but 1v1.

[chainzaw]

Island Defense has become an ELO game/race for many and have become a bit obsessed with. Although it does add a bit of healthy competitivity, it is also the reason why pubstomping even takes place. I don't know if removing ELO will help or kill ID, I don't really agree with either side.

Anyways aren't the inhouse games supposed to be a break from these "random vs good" situations? The new X-game bot would guarantee no "randomness" but it doesn't guarantee sensible players (trollz4lyfe). Either way, I think it would fail. I think people would rather stick to the current bot to pubstomp themselves.

[TooNoobForU]

hi i cant pubstomp anymore
Id 2 hard @apomtom

[Merex]

Just get rid of Tnfu and all the Omni followers and you'll be fine.

On a real note, making 2 ID bots won't happen. Community is simply too small for that. Besides, even if this were to happen, how could you truly measure skill-games from just everyday pubs? You couldn't. If ELO is removed then that's out of the picture, if it's measured by games then some pubby can get 200+ games, still be bad (as previous unknown examples), and just join the advance bot. Besides, how will this stop pubstompers? No one really plays seriously anymore. We all make mistakes, skill is inaccurate at this era.

Pardon the negativity but the idea is just unfortunate. There will always be a pubstomper titans, trying to dodge the situation on another bot is only gonna make them follow.

[Lynx]

How to fix Elo - By Lynx
Step 1: Have everyones elo reset every 3 months
Step 2: Flame pongu since not #1 anymore
Step 3: Profit

[lordmillt]

Just saying, i just want elo gone zzzzzzz it ruins some games Q_Q

[Sabishii]

If elo is gone, I doubt anyone would like be serious as titan anymore, since winning isn't going to benefit titan for trying hard to win at all.

[lordmillt]

last time i checked, we play id for fun dont we?

[Burn]

Most titan players play to win, most builder players play for both to have fun and to win.

-Burn

[ShadowZz]

Just want to drop in at say that your stats would still exist. As in you would still want to win for your w/l ratio. @Sabishii

Also I agree that removing elo would make it less of a competitive and quite frankly asshole environment. ID is not a competitive game and as I spoke with @Haunt about this before in my opinion good builders ruin the game more than good titans.

Good titans joins games and pub stomps - at least people get to play and try to learn.

Good builders join and pick 3 natures to spear rush him 3 mins in for elo - game is ruined.

[Burn]

I find it more fun to kill titan early than a 40 minute game with a bad titan. If titan is good enough to make it an even game, then that's equally as fun. If you are worried about having your game ruined by spear rushers, just join in the fun, spear rush with them. Good titans don't die to spear rushes anyway, and one of the facts is that if you are not an inhouse titan you can't beat a proper high tiered triple or quad inhouse base, unless you get extremely fed. Hell, even if you're an inhouse titan.

As for pub stomps, I seriously do not enjoy games where I am aimed 24/7 and normally just pick sat to mess around and support bases. They're both fun, but rushes are a challenge of itself. Whereas, trying to win a losing pub stomp game is not only frustrating but annoying.

As for elo, I think people are worried about looking bad because of ELO and W/L. I mean, I get it. Then just give them an option for validated players to not record elo for them. Easy.

Surely, you can't fault someone for being competitive and farming elo.

-Burn

[ShadowZz]

The idea of "being competitive and farming elo" in a game that is not even close to being able to be "competitive" is a joke to me. Island Defense is NOT competitive. Being competitive and having ELO implies you think that when you play both sides have a equal chance to win and your score or "ELO" as it is means your a better player. With all due respect that's just not the case. I have below average ELO due to obsing games after they finish which causes me to lose ELO in games I win. I'm not going to list the obvious ELO bugs as you know them better than most But you have to understand that the only way ID will ever be competitive is if you were always against a titan of equal skill to all the builders in the lobby. Until then the idea of having a ranking system in the game is simply a really bad joke.

Likewise I can guarantee if we watch all the games of everyone in the top 10 on the ELO leaderboard you will find a bunch of ruined games all being under 10 minutes long abusing everything that's overpowered like nature rush. Or picking demo 20 games in a row with Omnipotent and Burn just to trap him at the first base he goes to. I mean seriously the idea that this is "fun" is retarded. It's like having a professional dota team play against first timers and then giving them money for winning the match and everyone patting each others backs saying "good game". Joke.

[Burn]

No mate, Pongu doesn't end games early, he always randoms or picks basers. Euros don't end early, that's why they have such high win rate.

Recently I've been spamming faerie because he's hard to die with phase shift, and Radio because toxic split.

Out of my thousands of games on ENT after ELO system was integrated, most of my games I have not ended early.
Out of my thousands of games on ENT after ELO system was integrated, most of the games I'm the one ending early, when it happens.
So ending early isn't because of ELO, it's because of play-style. I mean, who else even consistently ends early, besides me, anyway? Out of the whole active ID community.

Also, games are ruined when a titan that is noob enough is capable of getting ended early has joined the lobby. Stalling is one of the biggest problems and makes ID so boring, not games being ended early. Games being ended early provides a fast paced entertaining game for most builders, just makes noob titans not want to play, which is a terrific thing.

-Burn

[ShadowZz]

Burn 2k15 believes ruining the game making noob titans not want to play is a "terrific thing". I'm not even entertaining this anymore. Burn was born a ID God and has never been bad at the game. We must smite all those that stand below him as they are not worthy of joining his games.

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