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Foglogs

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:51 am
by Burn
Post your recent foglogs here in a spoiler (With optional game stats link):

Here's mine! Checked fog clicks are struck, suspicious clicks are highlighted:
Spoiler!
34:47 |cFFFFFF00Phamine|r clicked |cffff0000Legendary Titan of Decay|r


4:46 |cFFFFFF00Luterus (Demonologist)|r clicked |cffff0000Titanous Minion|r
6:40 |cFFFFFF00Kira_Light (Morphling)|r clicked |cff0080ffLegendary Titan of Ice|R

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 358432.w3g
0:21 |cFFA9A9A9BlazeBat (Titan)|r clicked |cffffff00Titan's Mound of Gold|r
3:16 |cFF00FFFFAtavantage (Murloc)|r clicked |cffff0000Legendary Titan of Decay|r

2:38 |cFFFFFF00pawelrug (Observer)|r clicked |cffff0000Legendary Titan of the Ocean|r
6:54 |cFF00FF00hmk142 (Makrura)|r clicked |cffff0000Titanous Minion|r
16:14 |cFF0000FFkrisz (Demonologist)|r clicked |cffff0000Legendary Titan of the Ocean|r

5:20 |cFF00FFFFlickmyass911|r clicked Aerox and rcxquake

3:38 |cFF00BFFFSat (Makrura)|r clicked |cff0080ffLegendary Titan of Ice|R
15:4 |cFF006400ShadowZz (Glacious)|r clicked |cffb7ae6bRadon Tower|r

1:50 |cFF006400lordMilf (Titan)|r clicked |cff90ee90Harvester|r
44:44 |cFFFFA500ArmaDaGedon (Observer)|r clicked |cff90ee90Harvester|r

5:40 |cFF0000FFApomTom (Morphling)|r clicked Demonologist
9:28 |cFFA020F0voidkiller (Observer)|r clicked |CFFFF0000Legendary Titan of the Ocean

0:24 |cFF0000FFFollowingPath|r clicked Builder Selection (Medium)
12:17 |cFFA9A9A9Lynx- (Magnataur)|r clicked |CFFFF0000Legendary Titan of Disease

https://entgaming.net/replay/view_replay.php?file=1330413803.w3g
11:26 |cFFFFA500Carnerox (Builder)|r clicked Crab
18:51 |cFF00BFFFShiroKami (Minion)|r clicked Arachnid


https://entgaming.net/replay/view_replay.php?file=1440307544.w3g
0:24 |cFFA020F0voidkiller|r clicked Builder Selection (Hard)
12:50 |cFF0000FFShiroKami (Minion)|r clicked |cffef4500Super Dart Tower|r
16:11 |cFFFF0000Lynx- (Minion)|r clicked Chimaera Scout
22:36 |cFF00FFFFFollowingPath (Builder)|r clicked |CFFFFAD08Legendary Titan of Flames|R
25:42 |cFFFF0000Lynx- (Minion)|r clicked |cff1e90ffIdol of Life|r


https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=6362002
0:21 |cFFA020F0deathzye (Defender)|r clicked Builder Selection (Easy) (legit fog click, banned)
3:55 |cFF0000FFhmk142 (Faerie)|r clicked |cffffffcdLegendary Titan of Lightning|r (possibly delayed)
9:51 |cFFA020F0deathzye (Nature)|r clicked |cffffffcdLegendary Titan of Lightning|r (possibly delayed)
10:13 |cFF0000FFhmk142 (Faerie)|r clicked |cffff0000Titanous Minion|r (possibly delayed)
16:46 |cFF0000FFhmk142 (Faerie)|r clicked Chimaera Scout (possibly delayed)


14:58 |cFFFFC0CBIDTitan (Observer)|r clicked |cffff0000Titanous Minion|r
15:16 |cFFA9A9A9hmk142 (Goblin)|r clicked Albatross
18:43 |cFF006400DarkGreenONLY (Titan)|r clicked Magnataur


How to spot suspicious clicks just from foglog.txt alone:

In my experience, the most suspicious clicks are in this order:

Tier 1 (HIGHLY suspicious):
  • Neutral critters and shops(alba/frogsetc)
  • Shops and titan buildings (secret shop, titan's shop, gold mound, punish centre, builder selection ships)
  • Invisible units (Mainly Satyr)
  • Harvesters early, you can't get worker HP early.
  • Multiple clicks of any unit/building in less than three seconds
  • Multiple clicks from one player

Tier 2 (moderately suspicious):
  • Towers
  • Builders
  • Minions

Tier 3 (Not worth it):
  • Walls
  • Titans
  • Clicks on titan/minion late into the game (Some maphackers think that people don't check for fog clicks that late)

Foglog bugs:
  • Clicking your own units
  • Next page bug
  • Clicks on titan/minion late into the game (Some maphackers think that people don't check for fog clicks that late)
  • Building transforms (like Panda's ARC switching from builder to earth/storm/fire, or Dryad towers; Island Defense).
  • Host spawn glitches. When host (normally red) spawns a unit like a DotA hero or ID builder, the opposing team (dire players or titan) will click glitch it.

Examples from above foglog:

Definitely going to check hmk142, because he has multiple clicks registered. He is 99% a maphacker.

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6:54 |cFF00FF00hmk142 (Makrura)|r clicked |cffff0000Titanous Minion|r
3:55 |cFF0000FFhmk142 (Faerie)|r clicked |cffffffcdLegendary Titan of Lightning|r
10:13 |cFF0000FFhmk142 (Faerie)|r clicked |cffff0000Titanous Minion|r
16:46 |cFF0000FFhmk142 (Faerie)|r clicked Chimaera Scout
15:16 |cFFA9A9A9hmk142 (Goblin)|r clicked Albatross


Tier one suspicious, even though he only has one fog click:

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5:20 |cFF00FFFFlickmyass911|r clicked Aerox and rcxquake


Voidkiller, tier one suspicious click, even though he only has one fog click per game:

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9:28 |cFFA020F0voidkiller (Observer)|r clicked |CFFFF0000Legendary Titan of the Ocean
0:24 |cFFA020F0voidkiller|r clicked Builder Selection (Hard)



FollowingPath, tier one suspicious click, even though he only has one fog click per game:

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0:24 |cFF0000FFFollowingPath|r clicked Builder Selection (Medium)


Carnerox, tier one suspicious click, and a coder:

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11:26 |cFFFFA500Carnerox (Builder)|r clicked Crab


Special notice because Shirokami is one of the best arising players I've seen lately.

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18:51 |cFF00BFFFShiroKami (Minion)|r clicked Arachnid
12:50 |cFF0000FFShiroKami (Minion)|r clicked |cffef4500Super Dart Tower|r


Tier one fogclick with two in one game:

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0:21 |cFFA020F0deathzye (Defender)|r clicked Builder Selection (Easy)
9:51 |cFFA020F0deathzye (Nature)|r clicked |cffffffcdLegendary Titan of Lightning|r



Why I created this topic:

Basically, I record foglog for every single game I play. Originally I was just looking through my foglog and scanning for maphackers as usual, and needing a place to paste my foglog, I posted to notepad++. Seeing that most of the clicks were my own clicks, I switched to Google Chrome to use the highlight search function Chrome has to filter out these lines.

So I thought, hey, why not let other people in on my foglog, if they want to scan my replays? So I posted this topic, then I thought that others might want to scan other people's replays too to spot maphackers. I posted this in Island Defense, but a topic like this can be used for other maps too like DotA or LTD.

This will also be a great place for new staff applicants to look for maphackers. Reply below or PM me if you want to see the replay for any foglog clicks.

-Burn

Re: Foglogs

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:10 am
by aRt)Y
What's the success rate?

Re: Foglogs

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:42 am
by Burn
aRt)Y wrote:What's the success rate?
I'm not sure what you mean by success rate.

If you mean me personally going back and going through old foglogs to ban maphackers, I'll have to be honest and say that today is the first time I'm doing it. I'm sure I'll catch a few though.

Also, I have a question for you Art)y, I remember you testing builder selection ships in 3.0.9d. I was wondering if the click in the above foglog is suspicious?

0:24 |cFF0000FFFollowingPath|r clicked Builder Selection (Medium)


His other click in the above foglog:

22:36 |cFF00FFFFFollowingPath (Builder)|r clicked |CFFFFAD08Legendary Titan of Flames|R


For this reason alone, and because he is a clan mate, I'm going to be looking through that replay.

Plan: Check any replay with two or more suspicious clicks, or any clicks made by a suspicious player.
Progress: Successful rate: 100% (1/1)

0:21 |cFFA020F0deathzye (Defender)|r clicked Builder Selection (Easy) banned.

-Burn

Re: Foglogs

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:05 pm
by aRt)Y
Well, the ship glitch was just pre 10 seconds ingame. Usually at 04-06.

Re: Foglogs

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:56 pm
by Burn
@aRt)Y
aRt)Y wrote:Well, the ship glitch was just pre 10 seconds ingame. Usually at 04-06.
0:21 |cFFA020F0deathzye (Defender)|r clicked Builder Selection (Easy) (legit fog click, banned)

I banned deathzye for clicking Builder Selection (Easy). You wana confirm this for me?

-Burn

Re: Foglogs

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:10 pm
by narbtit
Wait so all these people mh? So thats why half the people in the ih play so well.

Re: Foglogs

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:25 pm
by aRt)Y
narbtit wrote:Wait so all these people mh?
No. FCDs have a legit fail rate of 90% or more.

Re: Foglogs

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:14 pm
by SpiritBreaker
I don't really understand this.

Let's take one of your tier 1 "suspicious clicks" as an example: critters.

So if you see someone clicking a critter in the foglog, you go and check whether they had legit vision of it or not? Or how does this process work?

What tools do you use?

Re: Foglogs

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:25 pm
by Lynx
Tool: FCD

SpiritBreaker wrote:So if you see someone clicking a critter in the foglog, you go and check whether they had legit vision of it or not? Or how does this process work?

Basically yeah, if the unit has been in the FoW for longer than 5 seconds or something it's probably maphack, There's things like delayed fogclicks as well that occur usually in the time window of 0-1 seconds of the unit entering the FoW and those clicks are not maphack.

Re: Foglogs

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:02 pm
by SpiritBreaker
And we can only manually check whether a unit is in the fog of war or not? I assume so.. Otherwise there'd be an auto MH detection tool that automatically does all of this.

Re: Foglogs

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:25 pm
by Neco
I would post my fog log but it's mostly just Fossurious maphacking.

Re: Foglogs

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:05 am
by Burn
Neco wrote:I would post my fog log but it's mostly just Fossurious maphacking.

Post it! I'm currently going through this one:

https://entgaming.net/replay/view_replay.php?file=1440307544.w3g
0:24 |cFFA020F0voidkiller|r clicked Builder Selection (Hard)
12:50 |cFF0000FFShiroKami (Minion)|r clicked |cffef4500Super Dart Tower|r
22:36 |cFF00FFFFFollowingPath (Builder)|r clicked |CFFFFAD08Legendary Titan of Flames|R
25:42 |cFFFF0000Lynx- (Minion)|r clicked |cff1e90ffIdol of Life|r


All ended up being FCD bugs. Post any foglogs here, even if you don't know which replay it is, I can try to find it for you.

EDIT: Finished reviewing

-Burn

Re: Foglogs

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:52 am
by Kougetsu
I don't know if anyone else has ever experienced this when they died and became a minion. Sometimes (very rarely) when I die and decide to watch from the Titan's perspective of the game, I am sometimes able to see large portions of bases, that are still standing. It is alsmost like having a floating eye at that spot. But there was never a floating eye or anyone eyed in the base.

This only happens in the "top of the world", "euro" and the base in the top right corner. The last time that happened for me was probably a week ago or so.

I don't think that me having vision of that portion of the base is shown in the replay, but instead would be legit FC if I clicked on the Units/buildings inside the revealed portion of the base.

Re: Foglogs

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:55 am
by Burn
Known WC3 glitch, if you stand next to shops and someone -obs or dies and becomes minion, you'll still have vision of the unit next to the shop.

Happens even when titan is shopping.

-Burn