Need more admins opinions on this

[Mohammad]

Hello ENT staff,

I posted a ban request on 2 guys that were very racist to me in a legion TD game and i didn't say anything bad in return hoping I would find justice by coming here for help. I didn't have any doubts that those 2 racist guys would get banned but i was shocked when i found out that an admin found it normal and maybe funny to say those things to me just like what flamers thought of it. This isn't a request for a review of that ban request or a complaint against the admin, i'd just like to know what other moderators think of it and i'm done here.

I've seen other people get banned for a lot less flaming but i guess my case is different for some reason just because i said 1 comment to the flamer which is (11:16 / Allied) Mohammad: I'll take a ban just so you lose. I feel like i shouldn't even bother reporting people who flame me every game because if this wasn't excessive, it never is.

I even explained to him that some kids could really get hurt by those comments and do something bad to themselves.

Here is the chat log of me and the 2 flamers, judge for yourself

(00:15 / All) GrbaviMajmun: Ffs
(01:17 / Allied) Mohammad: fingers crossed
(10:08 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: bad send
(10:09 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: is bad
(10:10 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: 10 next
(10:12 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: STFU
(10:14 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: 10
(10:14 / Allied) Mohammad: 7
(10:26 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: i think i wrote something for you
(10:29 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: mr terrorist
(10:34 / Allied) Mohammad: 7
(10:35 / Allied) fiskmusen: hahahaha
(10:48 / Allied) Mohammad: who cares what this red says ( I did care about his idea to send 10 but i said 7 because he said something racist)
(10:50 / Allied) Mohammad: go 7
(10:59 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: dear god they got internet over there in the desert??
(10:59 / Allied) Kraken95: shut up terrorist!
(11:07 / All) GrbaviMajmun: dudes...
(11:13 / All) GrbaviMajmun: we have real situation here
(11:16 / Allied) Mohammad: I'll take a ban just so you lose ( My ban request was denied based on this but i'm over it so let's move on)
(11:29 / All) Kraken95: he gonna blow up our hoses
(11:29 / All) GrbaviMajmun: this guy mohammad is from the desert,he is ISIL terroris
(11:44 / All) GrbaviMajmun: if you dont concde...shit might go down
(11:49 / Allied) Mohammad: stop saying hate comments
(11:50 / Allied) Mohammad: plz
(11:50 / All) GrbaviMajmun: so slowly type !ff
(12:05 / All) Kraken95: no quick movements he seems instable
(12:08 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: chill camel fucker
(12:22 / All) Mohammad: this red is flaming me
(12:34 / All) GrbaviMajmun: and i am doing a damn good job
(12:42 / All) GrbaviMajmun: where's my medal at
(13:26 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: dude i called you a camel fucker,its funny
(13:27 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: are you mad?
(13:38 / Allied) Mohammad: No but you better not call me something else ( GrbaviMajmun stopped the racist comments after this when i told him i would seek help but Kraken95 didn't. Moving on)
(13:43 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: why?
(13:50 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: what will you do,if i may know,king mister
(14:02 / Allied) Mohammad: I will seek help
(14:12 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: what kind of help?
(14:14 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: bann me?
(14:28 / Allied) Kraken95: there is a swede hunting down flamers
(14:28 / Allied) Mohammad: I can't ben you
(14:37 / Allied) Mohammad: ban*
(14:44 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: what do you wanna do?
(14:59 / Allied) Mohammad: You don't deserve to be banned for this behavior
(15:01 / Allied) Mohammad: you're a hero
(15:10 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: what do i deserve by your judgement?
(15:13 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: Mohammad?
(15:27 / Allied) Kraken95: allah will judge you
(15:28 / Allied) Mohammad: You need to be admired and remembered after you die
(15:38 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: caz it seems mr MAD you are kinda mad ( He kept trying to provoke me but i remained calm)
(15:48 / Allied) Mohammad: I am really not
(15:56 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: that is good thing then
(16:05 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: it means you are a mature inteligent human being ( I like this comments in particular because he was trying to be nice after he felt like he was getting banned )
(16:13 / Allied) Mohammad: I've met better flamers playing wc3
(16:21 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: ofc,we all have
(16:29 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: so lets keep in mind its all fun and games right? ( He thought it was all fun to say those things which is why i reported him in first place)
(16:39 / Allied) Kraken95: no bombing plz
(16:45 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: and lets start NOT blowing France mr Mohammad,its wrong ( and here he goes again )
(16:54 / Allied) Mohammad: It's fun but you have to consider there are kids who take it seriously ( I'm trying to explain to him in a nice way that what he's doing can be fun but is wrong )
(17:01 / Allied) Kraken95: i know ...
(17:04 / Allied) Mohammad: and you could cuase them to commit something wrong
(17:09 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: how?
(17:26 / Allied) Kraken95: once an american told me jesus wold come knock on my door and punish me for being unfaitfull
(17:37 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: dear god
(17:39 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: i mean...
(17:40 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: dear jesus
(18:14 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: i am a good man mr mohammad,i have a dog...i feed him every day,twice a day
(18:39 / Allied) Mohammad: You're not the only one that has a dog but they're not all good ppl
(18:44 / Allied) Kraken95: i have a house slave, i feed him 3 times a day
(18:47 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: but i am...
(18:49 / Allied) Kraken95: expensive as fuck!
(18:58 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: i had a flue once...shook that bitch off in a week
(20:14 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: my kill
(20:26 / Allied) Mohammad: range
(20:29 / Allied) Mohammad: my kill
(20:51 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: your kill
(20:59 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: it is my gift to you
(21:01 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun:
(21:12 / Allied) Kraken95: for not blowing you up?
(21:15 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: why are you named mohammad?
(21:21 / Allied) Mohammad: Why do you think
(21:45 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: i think you wanted to show how you are MohamMAD ( more provoking attempts )
(21:57 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: i feel your anger
(22:04 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: are you angry?
(22:20 / Allied) Mohammad: I am sad and disappointed
(22:23 / Allied) Kraken95: use it, feel the dark powers grow in you
(22:58 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: you must not be sad
(22:58 / Allied) Mohammad: You and purple should hang out though
(22:59 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: my friend
(23:03 / Allied) Mohammad: you guys share same thinking
(23:17 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: no i dont like purple at all,even tho we might share a same humor paterns
(23:17 / Allied) Kraken95: where are you from red?
(23:38 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: i would never tell a sea monster where i am from,fuck off i actually live near sea...
(23:55 / Allied) Kraken95: are you from francé
(24:18 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: Mohammad why you named that?
(24:31 / Allied) Mohammad: Why do you keep asking me same question
(24:35 / Allied) Kraken95: cause it's a common name
(24:50 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: i askd only twice to be fair
(25:01 / Allied) Kraken95: thats 2 times to much
(25:05 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: when do we send? btw
(25:58 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: Mr. Blue we send 14?
(26:33 / Allied) GrbaviMajmun: it seems like you are angry
(26:45 / Allied) Mohammad: You can feel it?
(26:57 / Allied) Kraken95: were are you from red, i promise i wont come up form the sea and eat you

Owl, " Unless it is excessive, ent does not ban for flaming. Not to mention, there is a failure to include timestamps.

Also, "I'll take a ban so you lose" doesnt make me want to issue a ban. You should have used the ignore command. Also, seemed later he was simply trolling, by his comments to Kraken."

KinG23, same as owl

Hyo, " Adding a note on both users for flaming/racism (for future reports) - While not excessive, those type of comments are certainly not appreciated (!ignore would have caused a player to ignore his 2 team mates, which in the end could have lead to refusal to cooperate/teamsend, even if i can understand)

Thanks for reporting"

I know some of you might feel inclined to have same opinion as other moderators to avoid conflicts but say what you think is right as i'm not asking for anything here, just your opinion.

[aRt)Y]

Asking moderators for their opinions in this case wont help you much as they are bound to the ENT's staff handbook in handling such situations.
The management has discussed flaming issues both publicly and privately and the end result is always the same.

They might think differently personally but that doesn't matter for the outcome of your case as that's based on ENT's policies.

[Mohammad]

I'm not asking for moderators opinions to help my ban request case as i have already forgotten about that and I don't want those 2 guys to be banned anymore but i know that members are advised to repost if they want their cases to be reviewed by other moderators to see if they have other opinions or the other moderators didn't follow ENT's staff handbook in handling. This is exactly why i'm asking for other moderators opinions.

Thanks for your input but i was hoping you would say something regarding the actual topic.

[Hatedmaru]

Well you could have either A) Pm'ed the actual moderators who reviewed it (asking/clarifying the situation if needed) or B ) re-post the ban request, linking the first one, requesting a 2nd moderator's opinion.

However, since i did re-watch it as you suggested (last night on chat), i'll leave you with my opinion:

What they did isn't excessive to justify a ban this time tbh (If it was unnecessary/offensive? Yes, but excessive or worth banning this time? No) - Reason why i decided to leave a warning for future reports in case it happens (Meaning next time they are reported, moderators will know they have been reported in the past for that type of behaviour, and will take that in consideration, while processing).

However and as i stated last night, this comment was also unnecessary "(11:16 / Allied) Mohammad: I'll take a ban just so you lose" -> This might give the wrong image of yourself to your team: I certainly woulnd't like to be playing with someone who tells me that he doens't mind getting banned as long as i lose; Would you like having someone who writes that? ^^ but i dind't take that as a note, since that doens't justify what they wrote.

Feel free to ask (or PM me if you have any doubts).

[ShadowZz]

I can get arrested for saying this stuff in the UK to someone else. If they also live in the UK and I said this they could legitimately contact the police and I would be charged with a hate crime. I know this doesn't apply in some other country's such as America but I just thought I'd leave this here as a note.

[BiLyA]

2/10, worst troll on ent, even forsakeme is funnier. back to school now kid. if u find internet offensive, guess what, no one gives a damn.

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 139735.w3g
(01:05 / All) Mohammad: Fuck you noobs
(01:21 / All) Mohammad: expecially blue
(01:23 / All) Mohammad: retard
(01:43 / All) Mohammad: You piece of shit going down this game
(01:50 / All) Mohammad: BITCH MOTHER FUCKER
(02:18 / All) Mohammad: Suck a dick you pieve of shit
(02:22 / All) Mohammad: noob gonna lose
(02:41 / All) Mohammad: and this isn't flaming
(02:49 / All) Mohammad: it's not excessive
(03:15 / All) Mohammad: stupid blue wher you at
(04:22 / All) Mohammad: BLUE YOU SUCK DICK
(09:02 / All) Mohammad: no bad
(09:05 / All) Mohammad: so bad
(09:09 / All) Mohammad: pleased just quit

[Mohammad]

This was just a test after my report and i was saying that to my friend and he was supposed to report me for flaming

but thanks for your input it it's really appreciatd