Ban request culture in ent-gaming.

[JupiterRetrograde69]

There is trending culture in ent-gaming, where players are constantly threatening other players to ban one another.

This is due to the fact that ent-gaming's tendency to heavily favor the ban requests, rather than fair rulings, as evidenced by Beerlord.

I believe this game-ruining culture can be simply fixed by penalizing false ban requests, as this would encourage players to carefully consider their ban requests.

This would only make sense because, similar rules are already being practiced in civilized societies in the real world.

For example, in the world of fair law, judges and juries penalize the guilty ones, even if that may be the plaintiff.

Should plaintiff be found guilty, he/she must also compensate the defendant of their expenses that went in to the preparation of such trial.

Consequently encouraging those who are to get involved with law to carefully consider their actions.

However, empirical evidences suggest that ent-gaming is not going to practice fair rules nor penalize false ban requests.

I can't think of any other reasons for this, other than the fact that this creates traffic to the ent-gaming website, where players are well aware of the fact that ban requesters are favored rather than the fair bans itself.

Unfortunately, this is only a short term profit for the ent-gaming, as players would eventually be very tired of this game of ban requests.

I sincerely wish that ent-gaming would realize this soon.

[Mercy]

@jupiterretrograde69

In referencing outside cultures, you do realize that ENTgaming is an online gaming community and we have explained why we do not ban, unless extenuating circumstances, the original poster. Have you posted a ban request on the original poster of the ban request? Without doing so, any argument you may make is invalid as we only ban people who have broken our rules and have been reported. We do not ban the original poster.

[Jabba41]

@JupiterRetrograde69 If you dont think a banrequuest was handled the right way you can post for a second opinion here.
Usually all banrequests are handled in a fair way. Banrequests get denid here too.

You accept rules when you play here, youre even told in the game lobby. If you dont follow them people can report you.

If people threat you with bans you dont have to worry as long as you didnt broke a rule. So i dont see a problem with it.



Moved to general discussion.

[Jiminy_Cricket]

There is trending culture in ent-gaming, where players are constantly threatening other players to ban one another.

This is due to the fact that ent-gaming's tendency to heavily favor the ban requests, rather than fair rulings, as evidenced by Beerlord.

I believe this game-ruining culture can be simply fixed by penalizing false ban requests, as this would encourage players to carefully consider their ban requests.

This would only make sense because, similar rules are already being practiced in civilized societies in the real world.

For example, in the world of fair law, judges and juries penalize the guilty ones, even if that may be the plaintiff.

Should plaintiff be found guilty, he/she must also compensate the defendant of their expenses that went in to the preparation of such trial.

Consequently encouraging those who are to get involved with law to carefully consider their actions.

However, empirical evidences suggest that ent-gaming is not going to practice fair rules nor penalize false ban requests.

I can't think of any other reasons for this, other than the fact that this creates traffic to the ent-gaming website, where players are well aware of the fact that ban requesters are favored rather than the fair bans itself.

Unfortunately, this is only a short term profit for the ent-gaming, as players would eventually be very tired of this game of ban requests.

I sincerely wish that ent-gaming would realize this soon.

Great point! I've experienced this myself. Players will get to hating on someone in particular then go after them on the forum for the most ridiculous reasons. Then you have to go explain yourself and it's a hassle.

I do support consequences for players who are clearly going after someone for personal reasons. This is harassment, plain and simple.

[JupiterRetrograde69]

@Jabba41 & Owl

Yup... Beerlord took the similar approach as you guys, when I begged him to reason with me rather than go on his power trips

well he went further and called me absurd but the point is that fundamental response is often "if you don't like ent-gaming's rules, don't play with ent-gaming".

It's sad really.. despite Warcraft III being about 10 years old, I still played Warcraft III ONLY BECAUSE OF ent-gaming. There being so many new games just flooding out every days and months, IT REALLY SHOWS JUST HOW MUCH POTENTIAL ENT-GAMING HAS.

But as evidenced by beerlord before and now by Jabba41 & Owl, they have taken the egoistic approach rather than profit and prosperity.

Ent-gaming's loss really

[THANAT0S]

Too many people intentionally ruining games for fun. Bans arent eternal. If there are situations where me or my family got a ban which was not merited ent has sorted it out. Some games dont take much to ruin. Those people are more ban oriented. As it should be. Why should everyone else have to shoulder the wasted time caused by these people. The bans are fair an most times well deserved.

[JupiterRetrograde69]

@THANAT0S
Yes, too many people are intentionally ruining games for fun. One of methods to do so includes ban requests. If you have been banned unjustly, you maybe unbanned, unless you are banned by beerlord in the first place. But what about that obnoxious guy who took pleasure in requesting the ban? Just by having you until things got sorted out, his agenda is achieved. Even if you claim ban against him in response, his agenda remains sucessful until certain amount of time is consumed to deny the claim.

Yes, why should everyone have to shoulder the wasted time caused by these obnoxious people who constantly threaten to ban others???
I get that beerlord thinks that he is a god but can others at least reverse the penalty and make the ban requester reconsider requesting in future?

[EdgeOfChaos]

It seems that the main problem is that nonsense ban requests sometimes get approved, and then no one responds to the appeal (or it takes days to respond) so they end up serving the ban anyways. I know a few here think not obeying every instruction given by the ego-crazed players = not helping team and so is bannable, for example. I still don't agree with banning for rejected ban requests, sometimes people make mistakes and think something is bannable when it's not. Or if they're wrong but not badly intentioned, like MH requests.

I do know that what you're saying is true, though. And lots of others are seeing it too.

[JupiterRetrograde69]

@EdgeofChaos

"sometimes people make mistakes and think something is bannable when it's not." <- this is actually a huge factor that I have completely missed, unfortunately

Thank you so much Edge..

You are the first person on ent-gaming who actually responded reasonably with me rather than going on power trips and giving me the "Don't like ent-gaming rules? Don't play" reponse.

Thank you so much, you do not understand just how much I value your response.

[TinSoldier]

I think you bring up a great point. In an online gaming community, where the majority of mods will be physically weak and soft spoken in real life you need to expect them to have online power trips. Don't get me wrong either, ENT has a few great mods but the active ones that handle most cases with their lack of reasoning skills and common sense do ruin the entire experience.

[pinheadlarry]

I somewhat agree with this topic. However I think some of ent's new mods are actually better than many of the older/former mods. I actually have a different opinion of beerlord as he has reviewed 2 ban requests made against me and denied them both as they were BS ban requests. I can tell he actually reviews bans thoroughly and takes your arguments into consideration as long as you keep a respectful tone.

However, I have definitely had issues with some mods in the past including KinG23 and Nabo.

For example, look at this ban request that was made against me for fountain farming:

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=53192&p=216765&hilit=pinheadlarry#p216765

Fountain farming is clearly stated on ent rules to be acceptable. In that game I destroyed the fountain and then raped the heck out of the other team because they didnt !ff. However, I was threatened by nabo that if I did it again I'd be banned. It's sad when ent's manager can make rules out of thin air contrary to what he posted on ent connect's rule page.

But on more positive note, I think bans are being handled quite well recently. For the most part they seem fair and the unprocessed requests are kept within a page which never used to happen. So thanks to you mods that do put in the effort to fairly review bans.

I also agree with OP on making a ban for blatantly bad ban requests. I know some ban requests fall into the grey-area and in those cases I dont think denied requests should get the persecutor banned. But in some cases, ban requests are total BS or purely malicious against a player due to a grudge or something. Perhaps a shorter-term forum ban (Not an in-game ban) would be appropriate since the it kinda does constitute forum spam.

[THANAT0S]

All very good points. I agree that bogus bans should punished with a ban. Just sucks that people dont have anything better to do than stuff like bad bans an game tanking.

[BeerLord]

Just to keep jupiters complaints in context here, here is the link that prompted his posting on this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=88810&p=353797#p353797

[JupiterRetrograde69]

I have 0 respect for you Beerlord.
NONE.
I admitted what I did wrong like a man (Excessive flaming)
But clearly, you believe you are a god.
I WAS WILLING TO WALK AWAY WITHOUT RAISING ANY VOICE. I KNEW YOU COULDN'T BE REASONED WITH AFTER FEW REPLIES OF YOURS. BUT NO YOU HAD TO BE THE ONE TO SAY THE LAST THING

As soon as I point out how rules he used to ban me should also apply to the ban requester,

First he gives, "don't like ent rules? don't play" approach
And then goes to say players' right/entitlement to free will is irrelevant IN HIS OPINION AND HIS ONLY
And then finally somewhat realizing that he is wrong, goes to say 'You are absurd. You are making this about me'

SO TYPICAL. THIS GIRL JUST CANNOT AND HAVE NOT MADE A MISTAKE, BECAUSE MAKING MISTAKES IS SOMETHING ONLY HUMANS DO

[Jabba41]

Ok If anyone gets personal in this topic again i will lock it.