Ban request culture in ent-gaming.

[raedric]

[quote="JupiterRetrograde69"][/quote]
This is why you were banned, in my opinion. I read over the request and Beerlord handled it very fairly. He gave you multiple chances to apologize or be respectful and just come out and admit that you were banned fairly, and then likely you would have instantly gotten your appeal. That's how they work on this bot. The original poster (which was me, by the way) had broken no rules and you had. So without you posting a request and finding a rule they had broken, they couldn't have responded to your acting out and banned the original poster.

There is a difference between what is "fair" and what is "just", true. But in this case I believe Beerlord was both. I realize that since I was the one who posted the ban request you probably won't take this well or bother considering my point of view, and that's fine. But don't vent your frustrations on the people just doing their job when they're actually doing it correctly. Hell the only admin I've ever had an issue with (who I won't name cuz that's just rude) was overturned by other mods. There is a complaint forum if you don't like a specific admins decisions and find it wrong.

[JupiterRetrograde69]

Edit: nvm. its the original ban requester

I can't really blame you for fishing/baiting bans

because it's nothing but product of ent-gaming culture, the game of bans.

I bet you are only doing to me, what was once done to you

[raedric]

Actually I have almost never gotten any bans except for autoban for DC, and usually then because of entbot going down. That can't be helped because it's done automatically. I have been banned before for ruining way way back in the day for a very bad game. Now I always try to make the game better and not quit on my allies. (I do fail at this sometimes.) That's evidence that the system does work. A lot of games I don't even post ruiners or people abusing votekick or glitches (unless I tell them something is a glitch and they continue). I only bother posting when people make no effort to self-better or troll beyond an acceptable threshold. Dota has a very toxic community because the game is so competitive. That makes it even more important for us to try and be respectful to others to make the game more fun. And players that are having fun are far more likely to listen to other players than people who are defensive from being trolled. ^^

[JupiterRetrograde69]

Edit: Yup. good for you.

I must say you are a clever guy.

Good attempt to present yourself as the well spoken one, but weightless words.

"Beerlord gave you multiple chances to apologize or be respectful and just come out and admit that you were banned fairly" <- Everyone by this point knows that this is false. Even in the first page of this post, I admitted that I was banned fairly and that I have flamed excessively. But that's not what i am even arguing here. For heaven's sake, you made a ban request over the argument of who should mid solo. How can you argue that it didn't take two hands to make a clap in this case? Funny enough we won the game too, WHILE YOU BOASTED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE GAME ABOUT HOW YOU ARE SO GOOD AT GETTING PEOPLE BANNED, WHILE MAKING FUN OF ME FOR NEVER MAKING BAN REQUESTS BEFORE.TRUST ME, people here already know what type of a player you are. So please stop.
Stop distracting people from the truth and what's really important here. And further you try to save your reputation at the expense of someone else, worse damage you are doing to yourself.

As most already agrees here, "Just sucks that people dont have anything better to do than stuff like bad bans"

STOP SUPPORTING THIS GAME OF BANS

[raedric]

What is the truth I am distracting from, then? You are insulting beerlord saying he was powertripping but admitting it was a legitimate ban...I'm just trying to understand you.

[Mercy]

I must note that I have posted what I said merely as our standard for banning the original poster. All I requested is that you post a ban request because we will not break protocol simply to ban the original poster-

Please do not include me in your 'unfair' category as when I review requests if I see a bannable behavior in the op's game, I issue a warning such that if the issue arises in the future it is in their history that they have done something that is against ENT's rules in the past and it is a recurring issue.

I am sorry you are having this experience; either way, BeerLord is one of our more fair moderators- it's understandable that you are frustrated because the OP wasn't posted for any of his actions; however, if you would like us to review, we must have a ban request on him. If you post the request, we will review it and we will ban accordingly.

We can't go further in the process until this occurs; of course, we can continue to discuss this here, though I'm not sure what else you're looking for- this is truly the only option I am aware of, unless @Jabba41 knows any other- because it is not within the process to review the ban request given by the original poster to ban for their actions during the game they reported. If you post the request we will handle it as promptly as time allows.

[JupiterRetrograde69]

FOR THE LAST TIME, CAN ANYONE PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT I AM TYPING BELOW
I WAS NOT BANNED UNFAIRLY AND I WAS BANNED FAIRLY.
THIS IS NOT WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO EMPHASIZE.

AND SIR OWL, YOU ARE ACTUALLY SUPPORTING MY CLAIMS, AS YOU ARE ENCOURAGING ME TO MAKE A BAN REQUEST AS WELL.
PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR APPROACH TO THIS FUNDAMENTAL FLAW WHICH ENT-GAMERS SUFFER FROM EVERYDAY

[Mercy]

I'm not saying anything about your ban.

I'm replying in regards to what you want us to do about the original poster. Nothing about your ban. I'm a she. This conversation will go no where; we understand what you are saying; but we are not going to change our process. Using caps doesn't make you seem bigger. Sorry.

I'm done trying to play nice with this- you either need to post a ban request against the original poster and tag an admin or move on. This isn't going to change. I'm sorry that we wont' change this- but we don't want people to stop posting ban requests in fear they will be banned themselves- that'll ultimately kill the community.

[broud3r]

if i got it right this whole post was meant to QQ about the "i report you because you reported me" situation?

[JupiterRetrograde69]

"This conversation will go no where; we understand what you are saying; but we are not going to change our process."

Great point ma'am. Thank you.

[Mercy]

Unfortunately; remaining bitter isn't going to do much good for you or anyone.

What exactly are you trying to achieve? Be plain and simple. Don't use caps. Just spell out, plainly, what you are looking for. Tag one of the green administrators and they will respond when they come available.

[JupiterRetrograde69]

"if i got it wrong this whole post was meant to QQ about the "i report you because you reported me" situation?"

Please read the first page.

But in short, Admins here encourage players to make ban requests, and heavily favors the ban requesters in cases where it took two hands to make a clap. Consequently, creating ent-gaming exclusive culture of 'the game of bans'.
"YOU ARE BANNED BECAUSE YOU REFUSED TO DO AS I SAY. AND I HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE BAN REQUESTS BEFORE YOU DO" - raedric May 12, 2016

@broud3er
If you've played any games hosted by ent-gaming, you know for a fact that there are many players boasting about how they can get other players banned once disagreement occurs.

[JupiterRetrograde69]

@ Owl

No I appreciate your honesty. I wish you guys told me that you guys aren't going to do anything from the start.

And in my defense, I only used caps because I was forced to say same things over and over again.

But water seeks its own level, indeed.

Beerlord, Jabba, Owl.

Time for me to consider uninstalling WC3.... thanks ENT-gaming. I sincerely enjoyed the ent-gaming services, before it got to this culture of 'game of bans'.

[Mercy]

We aren't going to change that process. Everyone must follow it, no matter who it is. The moderators, the reporters, and the appealers. Yours isn't the first situation where the appealer states that the op should be banned - it is then in their hands to post the ban request (which is most often the case and it occurs), make a case to explain as they feel it is an unjust system, or, do nothing, similarly. It's all in the action you choose to take.

Again, I'm sorry for your frustration. It is your choice what you decide to do; overall.

[raedric]

But in short, Admins here encourage players to make ban requests, and heavily favors the ban requesters in cases where it took two hands to make a clap. Consequently, creating ent-gaming exclusive culture of 'the game of bans'.
@broud3er
If you've played any games hosted by ent-gaming, you know for a fact that there are many players boasting about how they can get other players banned once disagreement occurs.

Please don't throw quotes in and use my name when it's not something I said. That's just rude. You're also wrong on one key fact that you keep trying to distract from.
"Admins here encourage players to make ban requests, and heavily favors the ban requesters"
No, the admins encourage players to make ban requests on rule breakers, and they favor the requests when they see rules being broken. 9/10 times they let people appeal if they link the rule they broke so they can ensure it doesn't happen again. If I had posted you for, say...not letting me mid solo, that isn't a rule. That'd just be me making a superfluous ban request, and they'd gleefully deny it. (Well, maybe not gleefully.)
I'm sorry you're upset, but without rules dota would just be rife with mhers, ruiners, and people who quit on their first death. You know, like it used to be.