Ban request culture in ent-gaming.

[JupiterRetrograde69]

Like i said before....
when I made respectful request to beerlord, he said that in his opinion, players are not entitled to their free will and that differences in opinion between players are bannable offense. Obviously when i used the exact word "I beg for fair judgement", he called me absurd, as you did call me bitter, constantly spinning things around.
I wish it didn't take 2 days for some one to just tell me. "This conversation will go no where; we understand what you are saying; but we are not going to change our process.".

Like I said at the very beginning.. it really is ent-gaming's loss.
Indeed... "It's all in the action you choose to take. It is your choice what you decide to do; overall."
it's really funny that this is coming from you

Anyways, please delete my profile.

Thanks and best of luck. It seems you guys will really need it.

[Mercy]

If you wish us to delete your account, please post in technical support. Blue moderators don't have access to that panel.

I state you are bitter just from our discussion; it seems that you are- if you aren't, I apologize for the assumption.

[raedric]

The appeal is linked. Nowhere in it did Beerlord say you weren't entitled to your opinion. You were banned for breaking a rule, not because we disagreed. You weren't banned for not letting me mid solo, you were banned for intentionally letting allies die and telling everyone that's what you were doing and flaming all game. All of those rules are listed in the wiki page. You were given fair judgment. You broke a rule and you got the exact punishment that the rule comes with. The conversation can't go anywhere because you argued that somebody (me, in your appeal) should have been banned because we shared a difference of opinion, because you were banned for breaking multiple rules.

[JupiterRetrograde69]

@raedric
"Please don't throw quotes in and use my name when it's not something I said."
You just don't give up do you...
I encourage everyone to go watch replay if it's available. raedric clearly boasted about how he has the ban power, and made fun of me for not knowing how to make ban requests.
Sure I may have been forced to be rude, but what I am suggesting isn't really far fetched.
Have fun in your game of bans. Ent-gaming supports ya

Lol.. water truly does seek its own level indeed.

[Mercy]

You are making this incredibly personal when it isn't.

@Jabba41 Lock please.

[raedric]

Telling you that you will get banned for refusing to play with your team isn't the same as saying I'll ban you. I even re-checked the replay to be sure. Apparently you are just being bitter and I'm beating a dead horse trying to empathize. I apologize for wasting both of our time.

[JupiterRetrograde69]

@Owl

"You are making this incredibly personal when it isn't."

Agreed, it really isn't. However, nothing is resolved and raedric & Co is still having lots of fun and will continue to do so.

Please consider observing the differences in the way I responded to EdgeOfChaos in the first page, versus you three (Beerlord, Jabba, Owl)

EdgeofChaos responded with reason and logic, while you three responded with personal response.

P.S. I think you guys should really consider hiring EdgeOfChaos

[aRt)Y]

Skipping all this drama and commenting on one of your arguments: penalizing users who report players is a sub-optiomal idea as most players arent sure themselves whether the player in question violated the rule or not. They are no experts after all. As you like to compare it to the rule world, just look at the statistics of citizens calling 911 for the dumpest reasons. The malicious ones are getting punished, yes. So do they on ENT. However, we "favor" ban requests because after all, merely posting wont get players banned. We have moderators who are our judges. They will decide what happens. The quantity of ban requests has really nothing to do with it as they dont gain any bonus from it. Additionally, ENT doesnt have the human resources to be in every game and to enforce the rules there. We heavily rely on our players to improve their own gaming experience by taking action against others - whether they are successful depends then again on the ENT moderation. tl;dr; We dont want to discourage users.

However, no one denies that players ingame are threatening others with bans. That's just the nature of internet tho.

[Jabba41]

Every request gets reviewed, we deny a lot of requests onl because someone posts a banrequest before ou doesnt mean he wont get banned. If he violates rules too heavy we either deny the request or ban the OP aswell.
Everyone can get reorted, even if the reported guy made a bbanrequest already about the same game.


When people do requests that get denied its our time we spend ont them not yours, nt your business at all.
-> The result of wrongly banrequests is often that the OP understands the rules better. I often talk with users in PM after i denied their requests in order to clear their doubts.

If you dont understand how this banrequest system works its not ENTs fault you dont ask anyone.OFC mistakes happen, it always will no matter what we do, but as long as both parties stay calm and cooperate they get solved. Everytime. You simple didnt really wanted to solve the issue that leads you to be banned, you wanted to get the OP banned taht not the point of a banappeal if you want this simply post a banrequest. If you want to exclude moderators from reviewing your case you can tell us.


Regarding "wrong" banrequests. I already stated above why its still good when people report others wrongly, without bad intentions.
If someone reports players over and over again for no reason just to mock them he can get warned and or banned ofc as he spams the forum with useless stuff.


Only because people tell you they can abuse the banrequest section doesnt mean it will actually work out. You dont get banned if you didnt broke any rules -> Even if he fills out 10000 banrequests against you.

and in the end:
Easiest way to not get banned and avoid drama: Dont break rules. Its simple.

[sealman]

Hey, nobody is perfect. I support Beerlord and I'll tell you why:

A few months ago, I submitted a typical ban request for an afker. It was approved. A week later, I saw the same player in a game. I was like "wtf" he should be banned. I went to the forum, found a kind of bull-shit appeal about how the player had diarrhea from drinking milk. Now I can't prove the guy was lying, but he had a long history of bans. I was a bit upset and reached out to Beerlord. Beerlord was cordial and told me that maybe he made a mistake in approving the ban appeal. He apologized to me.

He could have been pretentious and defensive. That would have made sense, since my initial message was angry and rude. But instead he heard me out and admitted a mistake. I respect that. I don't think Beerlord is on a power-trip. Quite the opposite, he's one of the friendlier and cordial mods that I've encountered on the forums and in games.

[EdgeOfChaos]

For example, look at this ban request that was made against me for fountain farming:

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=53192&p=216765&hilit=pinheadlarry#p216765

Fountain farming is clearly stated on ent rules to be acceptable. In that game I destroyed the fountain and then raped the heck out of the other team because they didnt !ff. However, I was threatened by nabo that if I did it again I'd be banned. It's sad when ent's manager can make rules out of thin air contrary to what he posted on ent connect's rule page.

Putting aside all the drama for a moment, pinheadlarry stated precisely the thing I was talking about. He didn't get banned, but according to nabo he'll get banned if he does the perfectly legal move under ENT's rules?

I've also seen someone get a 1 year ban for flaming a user on the other team. This ban went against ENT policy for obvious reasons. I don't think this ban got removed for quite a while.

I usually just put someone on ignore when they start threatening to ban ingame. It's not worth talking with them. ENT has a pretty solid ignore feature, and you should use it generously to maintain your sanity. My rule is if you flame, I instantly ignore. If you need to ask me something after that, tough shit. Should have thought about it before flaming. This improves game enjoyment a lot.

[aRt)Y]

March...2015........