Maphack Users

[mk4r32]

Maphack is for the poor - not guilty until proven but there is always an exception like goku aka Restwell/agent Kennedy

Highly Sus-
Justboss - def sus when he plays sniper and husk
Bpixie - although not as much these days I think and I've seen him ward alot
No rules - especially when he plays SB
Snowcrab

Post and share if you agree/disagree or have any other players that are highly sus.

[RichardCoffee]

100% confirmed for me:
BPixie4
Songoku
Oldman aka poobumweek aka balai.polis aka whatever other account he's on now

I agree Snowcrab was sus when I played. I never bothered to check replays, but he always seemed to be moving around the map weirdly. No evidence unlike the top 3, but a lot of weird moves from him. Seems to always be in the right place time. Could just be skill though, or coincidence, I guess.

But Bpixie is 100% confirmed for me. He often behaves in a way that shows he has full map vision and he is ungankable. He's ~1400 elo but his play sucks and there's nothing to learn from him, unlike any other player of that elo. He doesn't even assign hotkeys. I began to be suspicious a long time ago when all his game winning moves were too coincidental in one game, and actually checked his replays. this guy is a scam.

[lex-]

I already knew sb charged thru the fog without wards. I would tell you the truth, those ent mods will not care about cheaters no more. They will say don't have time to review the replay with 25 years old game. Ebay.com for elo booster lol.

[Jazzy3113]

I dont think snowcrab maphacks.

songoku does for sure.

no rules likely does too, but hard to prove.

[Astros]

1) No_Rules 100% maphacks. I was on his team and I can't remember which hero he was using but he had lothars. This guy ran across the map and found someone out of nowhere. I was watching him the entire time cause any normal person would have just started farming a lane or something. It becomes quite obvious when he's desperate to turn the game around and just does a blatant move that is unordinary for his level. The guy is borderline retarded so when he pulls a move out of nowhere that you know he isn't capable of, he's most likely maphacking.

viewtopic.php?p=564918#p564918

Also, this play was 100% proof of maphack. It's a shame the replay isn't there anymore but if you watched the video, you would see blatant maphack. No_Rules is another one of those low IQ people who is so dumb he forgets he's maphacking because he wants to kill you so bad.

2) I don't think bPixie maphacks. Watched a few replays where he wasn't involved in the ban and he bought wards and got ganked often. His higher ELO can be explained by him just picking a few heroes. Normally just zeus, silencer, and Juggernaut which are pretty easy heroes with good impact. Never once suspected him of maphacking honestly so I'm not sure how ya'll came to that conclusion.

3) Watch out for Andek. If I had to bet money, he's probably a hacker.

4) Don't know about JustBoss or SnowCrab. I don't think they do, though. They both die way too often very stupidly even when they have vision of the enemy so it's tough to argue maphack when they could easily avoid it.

5) SonGoku, aka Umer04 is 100% a maphacker. Don't even need to discuss this.
https://i.gyazo.com/b8eabb13965330b6ab0 ... 990408.png --------Him being Umer04
https://i.gyazo.com/ef38578ddaa911808c6 ... 96386d.png -------Him posting on a maphacking website. This is how I found out you couldn't click on fogged units (which I tried to explain to Halo the Geezer many times but he kept saying he won't review for maphack unless there are many instances and fogclicks.) In that thread, SonGoku was asking for features like revealing invisible units and illusions to be added with others saying they can't click on units.

https://i.gyazo.com/d07f7d91a1754f4fc45 ... 76b903.png ------ Look at this embarrassment of a thing. Literally advertising to maphackers to come to entgaming to play then he gets exposed and reported many times and the current moderators let him play. That officially let me know that they have zero interest in banning hackers which makes this game pointless. They know he maphacks and uses a VPN and still refuse to ban him. This is why iambackk being a moderator was never going to improve anything because he's a good player who started making bullshit excuses for a hacker when the obvious decision would be to ban him.

Also, this dude thinks he's slick. I called him out for it and he changed his Umer04 name on that maphacking website. Too bad he doesn't know most forums on the internet is archived somewhere. Just think about the type of person you are dealing with here and how dumb he is. He has the same name on a maphacking website as the name he uses on the game he hacks with. How stupid can a person be?

[Jazzy3113]

I feel like hacking takes the fun out of it, like seeing the opponent's hole cards in poker. Zero excitement.

[lex-]

I totally agree with Astros. When I played with them they used maphack with some games their abilities are still weak. They enjoy elo booster by using maphack and I would say go to ebay.com for elo boosting. Lol

[RichardCoffee]

5) SonGoku, aka Umer04 is 100% a maphacker. Don't even need to discuss this.
https://i.gyazo.com/b8eabb13965330b6ab0 ... 990408.png --------Him being Umer04
https://i.gyazo.com/ef38578ddaa911808c6 ... 96386d.png -------Him posting on a maphacking website. This is how I found out you couldn't click on fogged units (which I tried to explain to Halo the Geezer many times but he kept saying he won't review for maphack unless there are many instances and fogclicks.) In that thread, SonGoku was asking for features like revealing invisible units and illusions to be added with others saying they can't click on units.

https://i.gyazo.com/d07f7d91a1754f4fc45 ... 76b903.png ------ Look at this embarrassment of a thing. Literally advertising to maphackers to come to entgaming to play then he gets exposed and reported many times and the current moderators let him play. That officially let me know that they have zero interest in banning hackers which makes this game pointless. They know he maphacks and uses a VPN and still refuse to ban him. This is why iambackk being a moderator was never going to improve anything because he's a good player who started making bullshit excuses for a hacker when the obvious decision would be to ban him.

Also, this dude thinks he's slick. I called him out for it and he changed his Umer04 name on that maphacking website. Too bad he doesn't know most forums on the internet is archived somewhere. Just think about the type of person you are dealing with here and how dumb he is. He has the same name on a maphacking website as the name he uses on the game he hacks with. How stupid can a person be?

Didn't Halo claim this is all a magical coincidence and there's no proof? Why do people IGNORE the truth to this extent? In a lot of ways, this stuff is a reflection of how our society ended up where it is. Total narcissism and ignorance of basic logic and TRUTHS.

[mk4r32]

I totally agree with Astros. When I played with them they used maphack with some games their abilities are still weak. They enjoy elo booster by using maphack and I would say go to ebay.com for elo boosting. Lol

1) No_Rules 100% maphacks. I was on his team and I can't remember which hero he was using but he had lothars. This guy ran across the map and found someone out of nowhere. I was watching him the entire time cause any normal person would have just started farming a lane or something. It becomes quite obvious when he's desperate to turn the game around and just does a blatant move that is unordinary for his level. The guy is borderline retarded so when he pulls a move out of nowhere that you know he isn't capable of, he's most likely maphacking.

viewtopic.php?p=564918#p564918

Also, this play was 100% proof of maphack. It's a shame the replay isn't there anymore but if you watched the video, you would see blatant maphack. No_Rules is another one of those low IQ people who is so dumb he forgets he's maphacking because he wants to kill you so bad.

If ELO really counted:
705 with Rage
750 with teaming with goku and sharing MH
800 without MH
805 with last pick countering everyone
807 with MH at best

This is not a ban request for maphack, it's entertaining to play against and to see him rage and noob it up with MH. Don't ever want him banned.

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 223687.w3g

These moves are all under fog and no wards in the beginning

*Minute 2 : Geo comes to gank and he moves back and hugs tower

*minute 6 : he knows lina is coming back to him from top rune and moves back

*minute 9: sees 3 coming for him and tower hugs, also runs back as other enemy is coming

*minute 10 : Only time he gets caught (I guess MH can't see smoke)

*minute 20 : realizes dk is running around with haste by bot river and he stutter moves and backs

*minute 23 : first time this pussy is farming solo up top without moving back knowing none of us are around

*minute 29 : sees drow by their ancients and falls back without pushing mid

*minute 31 : runs back knowing a gank is coming

Funny shit is, he claims other player was mhing, thanks to his whole map vision


END OF STORY

[RichardCoffee]

2) I don't think bPixie maphacks. Watched a few replays where he wasn't involved in the ban and he bought wards and got ganked often. His higher ELO can be explained by him just picking a few heroes. Normally just zeus, silencer, and Juggernaut which are pretty easy heroes with good impact. Never once suspected him of maphacking honestly so I'm not sure how ya'll came to that conclusion.

intelligent and thoughtful post as always. but about BPixie...I am convinced he has MH but is just bad and dies sometimes. He does ward often, but if anything, that was more proof of mh for me. Because he often places a sentry exactly when an invis hero is there, or rushes in total fog to place a ward, etc. He's just insanely sus to me overall. I don't mind if anyone disagrees, just my opinion.
Also keep in mind some of these mh players will often miscalculate (eg wc3forever) and attack an enemy but die. Or "allow" themselves to get caught, but the real intention is for their teammates nearby to engage in a 2v1 and they live, which doesn't always work out. Or they use mh to position themselves before a teamfight. Bpixie's use of MH is not obvious, and he tries to hide it and play conservatively, but it is clear to me he has something sketchy going on. Again, this guy does not assign hotkeys and plays aghs jugg. I'd bet actual money that he's one of the people on this host who has mh. Just my 2 cents on him.

Those who use mh are rarely obvious. Hell, even 'obvious' mhers like songoku are not necessarily obvious - he was outed because of a few blatant moves he did, which got reported, otherwise he does try to hide it. MHers do not run from every gank, or gank every hero. Many of the players just use it very conservatively to position themselves for team-fights, or to do miscellaneous moves like placing a sentry right when an invis hero is coming, or picking off a courier by intersecting it, or any number of other things that are not proof of MH in and of themselves, but are proof when taken to be part of a strong pattern of coincidences.

MH in general is something that's bothered me for a long time. I believe it kills the purpose of the game (for me at least). I never made a thread to write out my thoughts, but I'm glad someone did. there are some people here who believe everyone is a maphacker, while others believe nobody could possibly mh. Are there ANY maphackers on ent? Well, the laws of sheer probability would intuitively tell us that there are some maphackers in this population size. How much? Perhaps 10 players out of 100 is a reasonable estimate. It's certainly not 0, but nor is it an absurd number like 60% as Robin would have us believe. So then the question pops up of who are these 10 or so people? You have to assume that they are already here. Then it's just a matter of using your brain to identify them. Part of it is cold hard evidence, part of it is just intuition and good judgment. Everyone has slightly different views, though, on what constitutes suspicious players. It is what it is.

[MIKEJONES]

@rules

[Astros]

2) I don't think bPixie maphacks. Watched a few replays where he wasn't involved in the ban and he bought wards and got ganked often. His higher ELO can be explained by him just picking a few heroes. Normally just zeus, silencer, and Juggernaut which are pretty easy heroes with good impact. Never once suspected him of maphacking honestly so I'm not sure how ya'll came to that conclusion.

intelligent and thoughtful post as always. but about BPixie...I am convinced he has MH but is just bad and dies sometimes. He does ward often, but if anything, that was more proof of mh for me. Because he often places a sentry exactly when an invis hero is there, or rushes in total fog to place a ward, etc. He's just insanely sus to me overall. I don't mind if anyone disagrees, just my opinion.
Also keep in mind some of these mh players will often miscalculate (eg wc3forever) and attack an enemy but die. Or "allow" themselves to get caught, but the real intention is for their teammates nearby to engage in a 2v1 and they live, which doesn't always work out. Or they use mh to position themselves before a teamfight. Bpixie's use of MH is not obvious, and he tries to hide it and play conservatively, but it is clear to me he has something sketchy going on. Again, this guy does not assign hotkeys and plays aghs jugg. I'd bet actual money that he's one of the people on this host who has mh. Just my 2 cents on him.

Those who use mh are rarely obvious. Hell, even 'obvious' mhers like songoku are not necessarily obvious - he was outed because of a few blatant moves he did, which got reported, otherwise he does try to hide it. MHers do not run from every gank, or gank every hero. Many of the players just use it very conservatively to position themselves for team-fights, or to do miscellaneous moves like placing a sentry right when an invis hero is coming, or picking off a courier by intersecting it, or any number of other things that are not proof of MH in and of themselves, but are proof when taken to be part of a strong pattern of coincidences.

MH in general is something that's bothered me for a long time. I believe it kills the purpose of the game (for me at least). I never made a thread to write out my thoughts, but I'm glad someone did. there are some people here who believe everyone is a maphacker, while others believe nobody could possibly mh. Are there ANY maphackers on ent? Well, the laws of sheer probability would intuitively tell us that there are some maphackers in this population size. How much? Perhaps 10 players out of 100 is a reasonable estimate. It's certainly not 0, but nor is it an absurd number like 60% as Robin would have us believe. So then the question pops up of who are these 10 or so people? You have to assume that they are already here. Then it's just a matter of using your brain to identify them. Part of it is cold hard evidence, part of it is just intuition and good judgment. Everyone has slightly different views, though, on what constitutes suspicious players. It is what it is.

BPixie has over 1600 games on here. If he were to maphack, he'd be picking OP heroes where maphack would shine such as Slark, Riki, LC, etc., Seems dumb for him to pick heroes that don't necessarily benefit massively with maphacking for 1000's of games. Placing sentries on invis targets isn't maphack unless you have evidence that he's placing every sentry directly on invisible units which isn't true because I've played games with him before where he'd just start placing them across the map. Same with you stating he is warding in total fog. He has died doing those things so you can't pick-and-choose when it's maphack when the end result is unfavorable to him that any maphacker would easily avoid. And what's wrong with warding through total fog? Everyone does it lol. It's reckless but you can get away with doing things like that when 8/10 players in a game are borderline retarded.

Idk what you mean by hotkeys. I don't assign hotkeys either. If you need hotkeys to beat players like Master_Pain and Jackk, it's more of an indictment on yourself than anything. You should be able to beat those two low IQ monkeys without a keyboard. Half the time I was playing, I had a spreadsheet on my other monitor that I paid more attention to. It doesn't take much to beat these third world people who live under tin roofs and their internet shuts off when it starts raining.

SonGoku is very obvious. You just have to know what to look for. You're trying to find a maphacker based on trivial circumstances that happen every game. Someone placing a sentry and somehow finding an invisible hero isn't maphack unless every sentry they place is the same. Those are easy and quick examples to try and claim someone is a maphacker but really you need to look for patterns. A guy like BPixie is a better player than most here. It's not uncommon for him to make a decent play that could be construed as maphack. A guy like SonGoku is retarded. There's no way this guy can make a decent play unless he has something helping him. A decent player would know how to avoid ganks and play safe so if you're trying to kill them and they somehow escape, that's not evidence of maphack. It's evidence of decent map awareness. A bad player, Master_Pain, somehow avoiding ganks perfectly, well, you know something is up because he's just incapable of that. You're more-so looking for behavior based on their normal level of play rather than nitpicking small instances that aren't unordinary. Just like an example with how people were claiming Draco was maphacking. He's capable of making high level moves so just because he happens to find someone in fog, it's not unordinary. Better players tend to make more 'maphack' moves because they're more confident in their abilities to take risks. Again, if Master_pain all of a sudden started choosing Tiny and found everyone in the jungle ending up with a 25-5 score or something, everyone knows this dude probably downloaded maphack and took Viagra or something.

You can find SonGoku maphacking easily. Just put an obs ward when he picks LC and hunt him while in fog. Watch the guy run for his life in the opposite direction to avoid you without any vision. Not like he would get banned anyways but it's not difficult to find bad players using maphack because the guy still sucks with maphack which means he's going to make bad decisions exposing himself every time. How does this guy play DotA actively daily and still can't get to at least 1300 ELO with maphack? Cause you can give a low IQ person the answers to a test but if they can't read, they are not going to know how to apply the answers. There's fewer than 30 players who play this game actively. You should know them by now. Jackk is going to KS and leave his teammates to die so you don't have to target him first because he's no threat if you're above half HP. Master_Pain is going to just bitch and sit at the tower half the time so just assume he's too distracted to do anything. Bobby just farms at ancients so just put a ward there and kill him while he types random Hip Hop lyrics. SonGoku is a maphacker with low skill so don't even waste time hunting him and let him do something stupid (which he will) and kill him. The only players you need to worry about were players like Frank who knew how to adjust. There's really not much to this game anymore which is why there's only a few decent players remaining and the rest are just the really stupid ones who have nothing better to do and DotA has become part of their livelihood.

[RichardCoffee]

By hotkeys, I just meant he literally doesn't assign anything to [shiftkey+number]...such as his courier, his circle, or even his hero. Absolutely nothing. You assign this too. So does almost every other half-decent player from Frank to Boldx.

"You're more-so looking for behavior based on their normal level of play rather than nitpicking small instances that aren't unordinary."

TBH My thinking is a bit more subtle than that. It requires good intuition and pattern recognition. My process is usually this: After playing MANY games, I start to 'feel' something is off about a certain player's moves. Then I check replays. Then at that point, after doing all those things, I actually either think they're maphacking (not jokingly like someone might be accused in a live game chat) or the replays tell me they're clear. I just have a good gut feeling something is going on after playing many games with/against someone, and then can analyze a replay to see if it's right or not. A red flag for me is if the replay not only doesn't explain their moves in a suspicious game, but makes it even more suspicious. I also often believed Songoku maphacked well before he was banned many years ago.
All maphack is, is an application of statistical reasoning to figure out uncertainty (does someone MH or not). But it's not the easiest method to explain. Most people are not competent in probabilistic reasoning because the human brain is not naturally designed for that use. I personally use a lot of probabilistic reasoning, logic, and statistics. But articulating an entire conceptual framework based on uncertainty, logic, and probability in this thread or even a ban request is going way too far. (Halo's head would probably explode for one).

On the positive side, and getting away from all the MH talk, let me just say: When I was active playing I viewed replays and there were a lot of players who didn't maphack. I viewed replays of players like Frank, kunkka, Astros (you), godofmars, master_ouchies, that 1 korean guy, many more. All these players are often accused in game, usually by noobs or someone losing badly. And let me just say they were each clear in my eyes after seeing their replays (well, as far as it is possible to prove a negative). So I'll end my post on an optimistic note: IMO There are many top players who don't mh, and you won't find evidence in replays because there simply is none.

It doesn't take much to beat these third world people who live under tin roofs and their internet shuts off when it starts raining.

lmfao

[mk4r32]

https://entgaming.net/openstats/dota/player/bigasstros/

[EdteOfChaos2]

The only player who I 100% confirm is maphacking is SonGoku. Even without the posts on maphacking forums (could theoretically be someone trying to frame him) he doesn't try to hide it with his play at all.

Problem being is that if no one bothers banning the most blatant maphackers, other people will see that and decide there's no risk to MH, so they start doing it too.

I have 2 who I would put 90% odds on them being maphackers. I think we all know who they are. And who knows how many others use it from time to time. Bpixie usually wants to win through any means and often refuses to VK ruiners - tells me that he's completely fine getting unfair wins, the kind of attitude that makes people maphack. Sometimes I feel like he is, sometimes feel like he isn't.