Guys, I do not think that ELO is the end all, be all.
But it is the best proxy we have for skill. I play alot and can literally never break 1k elo consistently, meaning I am an average player. I do not think I am as bad as the 700 elo players you all say I belong with, but I do not think I am capable of carrying a team.
However, I am a consistent player. I always tend to have a top 1 or 2 score for my team. I mean elo and kills and deaths and assists are the proxy we have.
And I understand that if I get a 1300 elo player it is not a guarantee he will carry me to victory, but I do expect such a player to at least play well. And i simply post games where the few times I get high elo players they suck or people ruin for no reason, etc.
I really think this point might help get my view across. As stated previously, you all group me in with zika and pegase and masterp and bobby and godsaves and eastybeasty and jub and mogu and saint and boldx and haliente. A poor elo player that actively ruins more than helps in the average game. Yet, I repeatedly post games where I am the best or second best player on my team. And yes, I determine best player via kills and deaths and assists and hero level. Because it is the best proxy we have and no one has the time or desire to watch replays of all these games.
How many times have you seen any of the aforementioned players be the best for their team? Ever seen masterp or bobby or bold be the best for their team? Sure, there are games they dont totally ruin, but consistently be a good performing teammate? I have never seen it and I play all the time. Yet I am literally posting all the time games where I do well or just have a pure scumbag on my team.
That's my only point. I seem to get an above average variance on teammates. And I am sure someone sees me and is like fuck this, im gonna fuck jazzy as revenge for his whining. But it seems to happen an awful lot.
My most recent game posted - caffrey ruins. And it is not just me doing my usual complaining, in the game chat log THE ENTIRE TEAM complains about caffery. Sniper was our best player and repeatedly calls him out for ruining. And caffrey then admits he is ruining because I was afk for 2 mins lol. He admits it.
How often does that happen to you? Yes, I am sure you get ruiners, but how often does someone ruin for such an innocuous reason? And because he did not outright team kill or item destroy, I cannot even submit for a short ban to alleviate my annoyance. It is frustrating man. You would also start to rage if EVERY OTHER GAME someone ruined just to spite you.
I think if you took a step back and really thought about it, you would realize that I am not on the same ruiner level as the others mentioned here. Yes, I cannot carry a team and do not always play well, but i never solo feed or get a useless gem or dont ward.
I never whine when a bad player plays bad. Ever seen me complain about masterp? No, because that dude is so damn consistent. He always gets jak, is always under leveled, and occasionally teamplays. Always the same player for me and against me. Whereas players like caffrey or the guy who always plays husk or trader - those douchebags consistently play like crap for me and play normal against me.
To prove I am not insane
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Ok lets end this thread here. So whats the conclusion of a 14 page discussion of you, being the unluckiest player on ENT ? Tell us. Do you want us to admit that you are the unluckiest person and get stucked with ruiners ? i ll personally admit it. You are. And now what we can do about it ? conclusion Tell us please.
How we can make you happy and satisfied ? Dont tell us to play according to our skill or ELO cause we obviously can't and we will destroy your game. Sooner or later. Its true, you will get all the ruiners of this world one way or another. Unfortunately i m not an ELO seller. If i was i would give you free 5k ELO so you dont have to bother anymore.
So, my friend the question here is one and one only. If we, as the whole ENT community will admit that you are good but unlucky player, will you stop whine or not ? Ingame and here on forum ?
Do you have the guts to answer this question ? If we all agree here that you play your best but the gods of dota hates you and gives you ruin, will you stop? Will you still post another thread like this or not ? Will you stop flame and blame your teammates if we will tell you that you are fine ?
Be honest with yourself for once and lets end this here cause we all are tired as fuck i guess.
I m the first who admits that you are super unlucky and i m posting it here in public. Hope the others will agree too.
How we can make you happy and satisfied ? Dont tell us to play according to our skill or ELO cause we obviously can't and we will destroy your game. Sooner or later. Its true, you will get all the ruiners of this world one way or another. Unfortunately i m not an ELO seller. If i was i would give you free 5k ELO so you dont have to bother anymore.
So, my friend the question here is one and one only. If we, as the whole ENT community will admit that you are good but unlucky player, will you stop whine or not ? Ingame and here on forum ?
Do you have the guts to answer this question ? If we all agree here that you play your best but the gods of dota hates you and gives you ruin, will you stop? Will you still post another thread like this or not ? Will you stop flame and blame your teammates if we will tell you that you are fine ?
Be honest with yourself for once and lets end this here cause we all are tired as fuck i guess.
I m the first who admits that you are super unlucky and i m posting it here in public. Hope the others will agree too.
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Re: To prove I am not insane
GodSaveTheQQs wrote:Ok lets end this thread here. So whats the conclusion of a 14 page discussion of you, being the unluckiest player on ENT ? Tell us. Do you want us to admit that you are the unluckiest person and get stucked with ruiners ? i ll personally admit it. You are. And now what we can do about it ? conclusion Tell us please.
How we can make you happy and satisfied ? Dont tell us to play according to our skill or ELO cause we obviously can't and we will destroy your game. Sooner or later. Its true, you will get all the ruiners of this world one way or another. Unfortunately i m not an ELO seller. If i was i would give you free 5k ELO so you dont have to bother anymore.
So, my friend the question here is one and one only. If we, as the whole ENT community will admit that you are good but unlucky player, will you stop whine or not ? Ingame and here on forum ?
Do you have the guts to answer this question ? If we all agree here that you play your best but the gods of dota hates you and gives you ruin, will you stop? Will you still post another thread like this or not ? Will you stop flame and blame your teammates if we will tell you that you are fine ?
Be honest with yourself for once and lets end this here cause we all are tired as fuck i guess.
I m the first who admits that you are super unlucky and i m posting it here in public. Hope the others will agree too.
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@RichardCoffee i hope you agree too so that makes two of us. Proceeding with the poll.
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Certainly. Jazzy is an awesome player with no flaws.
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Last games:
You seem to get a "bad luck" team around 20-30% of the time which is typical I think.
In my subjective opinion from playing a lot of games with you, you deserve to be around 900 to 1000. You're pretty clearly a tier above people like Bobby, Papi, Superballer, etc... Is that all you wanted to hear? That we acknowledge you being an average player?
However despite you being around average I would maybe rather play with some of those bad players because they don't rage :\
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You seem to get a "bad luck" team around 20-30% of the time which is typical I think.
In my subjective opinion from playing a lot of games with you, you deserve to be around 900 to 1000. You're pretty clearly a tier above people like Bobby, Papi, Superballer, etc... Is that all you wanted to hear? That we acknowledge you being an average player?
However despite you being around average I would maybe rather play with some of those bad players because they don't rage :\
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Jazzy3113 wrote:As stated previously, you all group me in with zika and pegase and masterp and bobby and godsaves and eastybeasty and jub and mogu and saint and boldx and haliente.
Why the fuck am I grouped in with them?!
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Fine, as a compromise I am just going to not whine in game anymore. When I play a movie or something else to distract me, I seem to care less during the game.
I will just continue to post games in this thread as a way to alleviate my constant dismay since I no longer will whine in game.
@EdteOfChaos2 i appreciate you taking the time to take stock of my games. But I will note in your quick reviews, you fail to scan which team had the actual ruiner. Also, in the few games you mention I had the worst score, its because I am constantly defending and trying, when one of our players is in lala land. I know the narrative is that i go invis and hide, but that's not the case.
For example, this game you mention (https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12235932 - Loss, a very bad score 4/10, only worse player is Bobby himself) - Check bobby's score, he was never around. I had to die over and over to try. Should I have just sat in base and hid? These bad scores are a direct result of playing 5v4 all game.
Final comment, take a look at the last game I played - https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12236184
For some reason this game didnt make your review. Best player on team as usual. One leaver, two ruiners. One normal teammate. One of the ruiners is that racist ban dodger the admins cant seem to ban properly. 10 elo stack vs smurfs.
Just look at that game and tell me what else could I have done? And while you say I am a tier above the people mentioned (even though you and many have said I am worse), have you ever seen a 900 elo player be the best player on their team as much as me? Shouldn't a 900 elo player be 3rd or 4th best consistently and not 1st or 2nd? Just seems odd to me that zika and master, etc are never best.
I will just continue to post games in this thread as a way to alleviate my constant dismay since I no longer will whine in game.
@EdteOfChaos2 i appreciate you taking the time to take stock of my games. But I will note in your quick reviews, you fail to scan which team had the actual ruiner. Also, in the few games you mention I had the worst score, its because I am constantly defending and trying, when one of our players is in lala land. I know the narrative is that i go invis and hide, but that's not the case.
For example, this game you mention (https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12235932 - Loss, a very bad score 4/10, only worse player is Bobby himself) - Check bobby's score, he was never around. I had to die over and over to try. Should I have just sat in base and hid? These bad scores are a direct result of playing 5v4 all game.
Final comment, take a look at the last game I played - https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12236184
For some reason this game didnt make your review. Best player on team as usual. One leaver, two ruiners. One normal teammate. One of the ruiners is that racist ban dodger the admins cant seem to ban properly. 10 elo stack vs smurfs.
Just look at that game and tell me what else could I have done? And while you say I am a tier above the people mentioned (even though you and many have said I am worse), have you ever seen a 900 elo player be the best player on their team as much as me? Shouldn't a 900 elo player be 3rd or 4th best consistently and not 1st or 2nd? Just seems odd to me that zika and master, etc are never best.
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Fine, as a compromise I am just going to not whine in game anymore. When I play a movie or something else to distract me, I seem to care less during the game.
So, we have a deal then ? At least its a start.
I will just continue to post games in this thread as a way to alleviate my constant dismay since I no longer will whine in game.
It was obvious as a person that you always wanted to bring out your repressed feelings. Its good that you finally said it in public.
I can accept it. Good for you that you have the courage to admit it and try to be better in game. Hope it works. I m not so optimistic but we'll see.
Its still clear that you:
1) Still think Dota 1 and the community here is something very important to you and your life (i dont wanna think what you gonna do if ENT closes).
2) Feel the need to whine regardless of winning/losing. Just because you like having a discussion about the same thing over and over again that leads nowhere.
3) Even if you have the best of the best games the best of the best allies or the opposite, you'll still feel wronged by the game. Maybe by your life too. The unluckiest person on earth. Thats a problem but i cant fix it. I wish i could. I'm not a psychologist.
4) You can't be convinced by anyone here that you have to see things the other way, nor you want to.
Despite all the above its a new start that you will remain silent in game not whining/flaming typing blah blah blah and losing control.
Hope you will prove us here it was worth. Its up to you.
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wrong! @godsavetheqqs
He just likes to troll other players and feeds off the negativity because it brings him joy. Jazzy is a sad little man, who cant even be real with himself and ignores all the questions thrown at him. His counter to those questions is bringing up something old that happen in games before to get your mind off of whats current. Know it all, seen it all and sadly jazzy just does it for pure joy because he probably gets a hard on! TO me that kind of character gets no respect .. Him and many are just the same!! The funny thing is, its all the players who are on the same level as jazzy like saltysack, iconic, gostar, trader, and many more .. Its exhausting to carry this fly and next game he will just complain again and again..
He just likes to troll other players and feeds off the negativity because it brings him joy. Jazzy is a sad little man, who cant even be real with himself and ignores all the questions thrown at him. His counter to those questions is bringing up something old that happen in games before to get your mind off of whats current. Know it all, seen it all and sadly jazzy just does it for pure joy because he probably gets a hard on! TO me that kind of character gets no respect .. Him and many are just the same!! The funny thing is, its all the players who are on the same level as jazzy like saltysack, iconic, gostar, trader, and many more .. Its exhausting to carry this fly and next game he will just complain again and again..
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