Halo_Mauler finally does his job and makes a good ban! Congrats to the Moderator of the Day!

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Re: Halo_Mauler finally does his job and makes a good ban! Congrats to the Moderator of the Day!

Postby Astros » Fri Dec 13, 2024 5:15 am

halo_mauler wrote:
EdteOfChaos2 wrote:As we saw before from the time when Halo refused to ban an active dodger and maphacker, it's pointless to try to talk to him. He's simply too stupid to understand what other people are taking about.

This is what ENT is now. This is Papi's and Bobby's world. You're just living in it. Server belongs to them now.


I assume you are talking about songoku?
He was banned on one timestamp with no second opinion or a single fog click
viewtopic.php?t=146432
It was brought to my attention that he was dodging in may when astros was demoted he had been playing since march 2 months while astros was moderating.
He had 1 week left on his one timestamp ban when i looked in may and it was brought to unitils attention.
Are there others?


1) You have no clue about the DotA community but interject yourself... this is why no one in the DotA community likes you. Let ifck handle it and stay away. Everything you do is incorrect or low quality. Ifck and myself have actually been around these players and understand the game.. we know who the ruiners are and who the ones who are legitimately trying to win and improve are. You're like the trust fund baby who shows up to a job thanks to their daddy and tries to tell people how to run a DotA community that you yourself have never been a part of.

2) No, SonGoku was not banned under one timestamp. Of course you wouldn't know because you never did anything while you were here. He has a reputation for maphacking. I gave him many chances and ultimately banned him when he committed a very obvious maphack move that cannot be explained as well as having incriminating evidence of his own name being on a maphacking website and admitting to it. I have never banned someone for maphacking lightly. I understand the game. I know what players can and can't do. Frank making a high level move isn't maphack because he's a great player. If SonGoku makes that same move, then I am already very suspicious of him. If they have a repeated history of very suspicious plays that cannot be explained above pure luck, I have to ban them. You know what's funny? No knock on Unitil because he has actually done something positive for this community but what have you done? I was gone for years and came back to ENT. When I came back, there were ZERO moderators handling DotA requests. People stopped reporting other players. That's the only reason I asked to be moderator again because no one else was doing it. There have been numerous threads on SonGoku maphacking and having suspicious plays. Do you wanna know how many times you've commented on them? Zero times. It was only me handling it. So don't act like you're the one 'following the rules' when you didn't do shit despite having the opportunity to do so.

3) He's a maphacker and dodger who committed even more egregious maphack moves and you refused to ban. Chopping trees to find someone in a random location isn't normal, lol. I also didn't know he was ban dodging because when I initially banned him, he wasn't around for months. Then he used a Chinese VPN to play after 8+ months so obviously there was no way I could expect it to be him. When I brought this up to you, you just made excuses as to why you wouldn't ban him.

I don't care about my ban. I am just illustrating once again, that you are not capable of handling DotA bans and should let ifck take control, 100%.

viewtopic.php?f=25&p=568023#p568023

On this thread, people once again dislike you so you automatically process the thread so no one else can comment. Do you know why people say those words to Titanium, Bobby, and Mogu? Because people like you refuse to handle them accordingly. These players annoy the players who are actually trying to win and give them advice. When these players refuse to listen and don't get banned, we talk shit to them because it's the only way we can voice our frustration with their incompetence. Naturally, since they don't get banned and are fully aware that they can continue playing badly while taunting other players, the only other thing we can do is flame them. It gets out of hand because of moderators, such as yourself, who could have done something regarding their gameplay. You're the one who enables this behavior - not us. We wouldn't need to flame Bobby if he was banned. We wouldn't need to have to make fun of Mogu if he had to explain why he's 40 minutes into the game and has 700 hp as Rhasta.

I don't have a relationship with any of these people on this thread commenting other than we are cordial when we play DotA games. We universally all agree that you cannot moderate DotA games. We can teach you how to do it or you can just stop involving yourself in DotA-related matters and allow ifck to control it. Or, get a new moderator. Saint or Mike would be good choices. Or how about we just have the community post on a ban request, offer our insight, and you can ultimately decide whether to ban them or not taking into account our advice. Let Unitil know. Thank you.

I can't link you the game of sonGoku maphacking because it's deleted from ENT but essentially, he ran into Rosh pit with no vision and already used his ultimate as Luna before even entering it to kill someone. There is no evidence you needed for that. You don't need a bajillion time stamps. This is when common sense takes over... it's 100% maphack. It doesn't happen, period.

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=146432&p=561988&hilit=restwell#p561988

You weren't around, I was. I chose to ban him. No other moderators were available to offer an input. He was reported numerous times and each of those times, I told him to turn off maphack if he had it or I will start banning if there were more very suspicious plays. I couldn't let a blatant maphacker play in the community so I made that decision. Everyone knew he maphack. You want me to deny a ban request of blatant maphack so now you're trying to pin this on me? You don't like it? Show up and do something then. don't come back one year later and try to tell me what I didn't do. What the fuck did you do?
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Re: Halo_Mauler finally does his job and makes a good ban! Congrats to the Moderator of the Day!

Postby Astros » Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:09 am

Here is me messaging SonGoku why he was paying for maphack... He admits to paying for it for years and couldn't use it because it 'keeps crashing' and he goes on the website to ask for an update.

I didn't even ban him for it because having maphacking isn't itself bannable unless he is using it in a game with others. I used this as evidence, along with other maphack accusations, to ultimately ban him.

But obviously you know more than me, Halo, right?

Someone gets accused of maphacking with very incriminating evidence multiple times and he himself admits he pays for maphack and you're saying I didn't have enough timestamps to ban him? How stupid do we have to keep going?

Also, if the maphack doesn't reveal invisible units, as sonGoku admits, how would he be able to fogclick these units...? he can't click what he can't see. Hence, why your fogclick detector program is useless and why you continuously asking for fog clicks is incredibly infuriating because you can't seem to grasp basic words behind written to you. Not all maphacks operate the same. You could probably turn fog clicking off. I go by experience. If a dumbass is 900 ELO and pulls off a 20000 IQ move, i'm sorry but he is maphacking.
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Re: Halo_Mauler finally does his job and makes a good ban! Congrats to the Moderator of the Day!

Postby aesrf » Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:26 am

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Re: Halo_Mauler finally does his job and makes a good ban! Congrats to the Moderator of the Day!

Postby halo_mauler » Fri Dec 13, 2024 10:26 am

His ban wasn't handled right and you know it. Go crawl back in your racist little hole.

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Re: Halo_Mauler finally does his job and makes a good ban! Congrats to the Moderator of the Day!

Postby halo_mauler » Fri Dec 13, 2024 1:06 pm

Show me a ban Hyo, Merex, Falanga, Dragon or any other mod did on one timestamp please.

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Postby master_pianos » Fri Dec 13, 2024 3:56 pm

Halo - I've got no history or beef with you so I'm unclear why you consistently maintain this position on Songoku. I hope it's not simply because most of the case is being presented by Astros and your dislike for him.

It's not a sign of weakness to change your mind on something. Everyone that plays dota on ENT regularly understands that songoku MHs. This is not based on ONE timestamp or incident as you like to repeatedly say. He pulls suspicious plays almost every game but it's become very obvious at this point that nothing will happen so most folks just resort to flaming in game or just sucking it up and saying nothing. Also, why is 1 incident not worthy of a ban when it's probably the single biggest offense you can commit? IMO, grace/understanding should be given depending on the severity of the offense. MHing seems like an odd place to extend that to.

Wanting to give the benefit of the doubt feels very FAIR if the accused has a good track record/history. Songoku does not have that. So what you might deem as being fair to one player feels massively UNFAIR to the rest of the player pool. Very much hope you reconsider your position.
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Re: Halo_Mauler finally does his job and makes a good ban! Congrats to the Moderator of the Day!

Postby EdteOfChaos2 » Fri Dec 13, 2024 5:33 pm

halo_mauler asked for fog clicks to ban someone for MHing.

Fog clicks. The MH detection method that hasn't been relevant for over 10 years after the MH creators fixed it to not be possible anymore.
That there isn't even a detector for past WC3 1.27.

He actually kind of reminds me of Jazzy. Literally everyone on the entire server hates him, but he thinks the rest of the world is wrong and that he is perfect. However Jazzy is 100 times better at DotA then he is, since he only plays 600 ELO bara.
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Re: Halo_Mauler finally does his job and makes a good ban! Congrats to the Moderator of the Day!

Postby Astros » Fri Dec 13, 2024 7:51 pm

The only timestamp you should be worried about is when did you suffer brain trauma.

Let's say someone is running away and I am about to hook them from the fog and they can't see me. All of a sudden, they turn and change directions out of random as soon as my hook is about to land in that direction.

That's called maphack. I might give them 1 or 2 other instance of these plays before I ultimately decide to ban them for maphack. For Christ's sake, the guy was chopping trees early into the game with tangos with full hp and magically found someone and you said he had vision of him the entire time lol... Who the hell wastes tangos in an unlikely spot with a 1/100 chance of finding someone much less a low IQ player who sucks at the game?

You are either too stupid to realize this basic concept or you must be the one selling maphack to these people. I doubt the second one because I wouldn't even trust you to boil water at this point.

End of discussion here for me. Everyone, go have a great weekend and enjoy the Holiday season. Don't spend another second of your time with this doofus over here.
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Re: Halo_Mauler finally does his job and makes a good ban! Congrats to the Moderator of the Day!

Postby halo_mauler » Fri Dec 13, 2024 10:36 pm

If he is maphacking why haven't you reported him to iambackk why do you want me to ban him. I filled in for 1 months when 1 suspicious action was reported not banning anyone for 1 timestamp on a map hack case. So have you found any bans for 1 timestamp besides astros?

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Re: Halo_Mauler finally does his job and makes a good ban! Congrats to the Moderator of the Day!

Postby mk4r32 » Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:47 pm

The whole dota community on this server knows he maphacks yet the so called mod is in denial but more so incompetent to see it.

I mean we all saw this guy cutting trees. Ain't no way, he's capable of making a play like that. He can't even click duel on time.

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=147434&hilit=cutting+tree

Bottom line, they are not banning him for maphack. One of us just gotta catch him again which isn't hard and submit another tedious ban request for ifck to look at without halo touching it.

There's a reason why goku won't come on here to clear his name regarding maphack. It's not because he's the mature one trying to be the bigger man or the i don't care what yall think mentality. He's too shook to come on here to validate himself and he knows he's gonna dig himself a bigger hole by making some dumbass excuse for his mh plays.

In all honesty, I don't even care if he uses it anymore and I know majority of you feel the same way since the mods won't take action on it.

We all know goku's gameplay is so low quality that we just all laugh it off when he makes blatant mh moves in game.

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Postby halo_mauler » Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:51 am

btw
"Also, if the maphack doesn't reveal invisible units, as sonGoku admits, how would he be able to fogclick these units...? he can't click what he can't see. Hence, why your fogclick detector program is useless and why you continuously asking for fog clicks is incredibly infuriating because you can't seem to grasp basic words behind written to you. Not all maphacks operate the same. You could probably turn fog clicking off. I go by experience. If a dumbass is 900 ELO and pulls off a 20000 IQ move, i'm sorry but he is maphacking."

You dont turn off fog clicking you use drm to check for it it has nothing to do with invis units you clearly dont know what your talking about.

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Postby RichardCoffee » Mon Dec 16, 2024 12:47 pm

Uhh, MH programs obviously don't allow fogclicking anymore for the MH user...fogclicking was relevant only about 10 years ago when FCD was new. Then the programs stopped allowing it to prevent them being caught, since it was incredibly easy to catch them.

Nobody has been reported or identified as fogclicking in the past 7 years because it doesn't exist anymore...

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Postby halo_mauler » Mon Dec 16, 2024 12:59 pm

You guys have no clue mh doesn't allow or not allow fog clicking.


Re: [DOTA] 12eal@useast Possible MH
Postby FalenGa » Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:20 am

0400 he seems aware of ench who is approaching to gank, so he stays in the other side of the woods.

0450 ench joins the lane with illusion. He clicks just the real one.

0610 the way ench backs off the lane suggests that he will engage the small creep camp, and this is where razor is originally going. However, as ench is moving to the big one above, razor changes direction moving straight to ench for some reason.


I believe there is a fog click after 0600. I'll confirm in a bit or resume the review otherwise.

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6:23 <12eal> 0x19: Select subgroup: [Enchantress], 0x00008463000076CF



12eal is banned 1 year for map hack usage.

In this case the person using map hack clicked on enchantress when he should have not been able to see him. Any dota admin should know what a fog click is and have drm. With drm you can see every key stroke and every mouse click by color and name. Before ent shut down every admin had to have drm and demonstrate they knew how to use it. No admin (with exception) every banned someone for MH on 1 suspicious act but as you can see in this post only takes 1 fog click.

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Postby RichardCoffee » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:34 pm

I used to use fogclick detector many years ago.

As every admin knows, it used to give nonstop 'false' positive fog clicks. If someone clicked a hero, and there was a delay of about 3 seconds, Fog Click Detector would tell you it was a fog click, even though it was not. That's why reviewing it was necessary. Proof of a fogclick would be someone clicking an enemy fountain at 30 seconds in, where no mistake of a fogclick was possible. People were banned for that, but many years ago.

Falenga never confirmed if that was proof of a fogclick or not. He just said the program said there was a fogclick. The replay is so old that there is no way to confirm or deny because it's using a different version of dota.

As someone who used Fog Click Detector even in 2017/18, it never once gave me proof of an actual fogclick in 1,000 games. Not because nobody is maphacking, but because (almost) nobody is using a version of mh that allows fogclicks.

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Postby halo_mauler » Mon Dec 16, 2024 5:05 pm

DRM and fog click detector are 2 very different things


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