Rule Change

[aRt)Y]

Visiting the wiki is strongly advised.

[Aghnaar]

Fountain farming is allowed, but if the opponent starts to fountain farm excessively and there is little to no chance of comeback, members of the losing team should !ff. Not agreeing to !ff when all other team members have clearly given up can be ban-able.

wattt? why? fountain farming is a part of this game, the 3 min rule was ok and i usually have fun trying to kill ppl in the rare chances im getting fountainfarmed . fountain farming is allowed even excessively in dota2, wtf? i see no reason for these changes in dota, bc only in lod there are cases of extreme fountainfarming (actually they started since this guy reallife or something got admin powers and rage-bans everyone that rapes him even if they farmed for only one min, and since hes bad he loses a lot, so bam, more bans lololol)

[MrCool]

Why not just ban excessive fountain farming? Banning people for not giving up is some serious bullshit. The whole reason !ff exists is so that if THE WHOLE TEAM gives up then the game can end. Are the ent staff enacting rules regardless of what the community wants?

[EdgeOfChaos]

@Aghnaar what do you mean? This rule change means that fountain farming - in any situation - is now acceptable (in normal dota).

@MrCool People should generally be banned only when they are spitefully not !ffing to waste time and to make their allies die.

[Aghnaar]

i mean that i dont use the ff command , especially when my team is bad and refuses to cooperate, so they can have the shitty experience they deserve lol, but now i will get banned for that?
Also, this rule shows me that u now give right to ppl that try to kick their teammates that wont ff at 10 mins when the game starts with like a 0-10 even on em games...

[sandm]

This is an interesting change, although I'm not sure how I feel about it yet.

" Not agreeing to !ff when all other team
members have clearly given up can be ban-able."

as mentioned above, there are people who simply don't ff on principle.

Although it is rare, even I had this happen to me. A game where my entire team gives up and ff, and pretty much every player tells me I'm wasting time. I still end up winning, but with this new rule would be banned in the process? Strange.



@art)y what ever happen to implementing a 1 min timer to ff and draw commands. Do you know if it will be updated? I remember seeing a suggestion.

[aRt)Y]

Although it is rare, even I had this happen to me. A game where my entire team gives up and ff, and pretty much every player tells me I'm wasting time. I still end up winning, but with this new rule would be banned in the process? Strange.

We aren't talking about a bad game but a game state where the opponents are heavily fountain farming - have fun getting back from that.

@EdgeOfChaos as stated in the wiki, it also applies to LoD

[EdgeOfChaos]

i mean that i dont use the ff command , especially when my team is bad and refuses to cooperate, so they can have the shitty experience they deserve lol, but now i will get banned for that?
Also, this rule shows me that u now give right to ppl that try to kick their teammates that wont ff at 10 mins when the game starts with like a 0-10 even on em games...

If the enemies are heavily farming and you don't forfeit, yes you can be banned. No you can't kick people who won't ff at 10 mins, unless you want to take a vacation to ban-land (unless of course the enemies are fountain farming at 10).

Essentially, @Aghnaar play the game as you would normally. If, at the end, you're getting fountain farmed, !ff the game. This will make you safe against farmers and bans.

[GardenofHell]

So let me get this straight, I can buy 4 rapiers and fountain farm for 20 min?

[Haunt]

So let me get this straight, I can buy 4 rapiers and fountain farm for 20 min?

Yes.

[Strikest]

Why don't you just ban fountain farming. This rule change is pointless and will only clutter ban requests even more... Getting banned because you don't want to give up is dumb.

[smurf]

fountain farming is no longer bannable. that means more noobs that wont !ff the game. dont forget the ones that goes afk griefing. They mostly do not return for 15-20 mins. Banning for 3-5 days, IF reported, while other team fountain farms for 20-30 mins is really Nice. Too bad reallife isnt playing anymore. Would love to piss him off with this and again he'll start making up rules.

[aRt)Y]

If someone afks, votekick him?

[smurf]

Afk kick dont work if he's the one left on the other side. Game wont allow votekick if he's the only guy left on the other team. Example 1 sent v4 scourge and the 1 sent goes afk. System well not allow votekick.

[EdgeOfChaos]

That's why art)y said votekick.