JUGGLE KING??WTF

[eldryan]

Clearly what godlike did is king juggling. King juggling has always been against the rules.
I've also warned people multiple times for unnecessarily juggling the king.

I don't know what he did, however bad king control has never been punishable and that is what I have been quoted saying in here, followed by diablo_ claiming that was or may be incorrect.

Since you edited the last line in, it's strange that you start making up things that even god.like said I didn't do.... while accusing me of "making shit up".

[supersexyy]

I don't know what he did.

Classic.

[eldryan]

I don't know what he did.

Classic.

I was mentioned in this thread, and diablo_ said that what I outlined was "incorrect" because I said bad king control was allowable. Then you claimed I was making shit up when I said it has always been allowable... Whether god.lik3's case applies or not isn't pertinent to the discussion on the rules that apparently the moderators don't know the details of.

[Diablo_]

There never was a rule change, it has always (at least since many many months) been like this.
Also, luckily enough we are humans and not some stupid bots which can't distinguish between bad king control and juggling.

[supersexyy]

King Juggling
It is not permissible to change the kings target repetitively with the purpose of gaining more gold or time.

I don't know how it could be made any more clear than this.

[Hutzu]

As far as I understood so far (based on one denied and one accepted ban request from me at public games) switching targets is allowed in a certain way.

Let's say 20 creeps magically appear next to the king. King attacks creep #1, before the last hit you switch to creep #2 and so on and so on, until creep #20 is one hit before being killed. Then let king auto-attack the rest.

Not ok is to attack creep #1, then switch to creep #2, then back to #1, then back to #2 and so on, because each time you switch back you abort one attack of the king and thus gain time. If all creeps are one hit away from death, it makes no sense to manually attack creeps (there are no sends in this example). It just aborts king attacks.

If there are sends, then of course you can switch back to creeps once the send(s) is/are dead.
Could a mod confirm that please? Because the way the rule is written, the 'legit' way also gains time for another player's towers to spawn next to king and thus gain gold. When I reported that in a public game, my request was denied. But it fits the description of the rule.

[Diablo_]

The juggling rule for pub games is different to the rule in LIHL.

Pub:

Intentionally preventing the king from attacking (king juggling).

Means as long as you don't prevent the King from attacking you can switch the targets all you want (I guess at one point it might also be banable, for example 15 creeps and 3 kraken with low attack king and you switch targets for 2 minutes or so, I'm not sure how Game Moderators handle such extreme cases)

LIHL:

It is not permissible to change the kings target repetitively with the purpose of gaining more gold or time.

I really don't understand what isn't clear here :p
You can't switch targets repetitively with the intend to gain more time or gold, which means your first example would also not be ok.

...because each time you switch back you abort one attack of the king and thus gain time.

The same happens in your first example, there's no difference. Why would your first example not break the rule? What do you get by switching between all creeps till they are all 1 hits than time?

[dark_magician]

Hmm not too sure what to make of this... I was on the opposite team watching the king control during the same, and thought it was border line legal.

I'm against clogging and any sort of 'dirty' play, but I'll put my hand up and say I've done similar sort king control a couple of times - without knowing it was a no go zone :/

[dark_magician]

In the other game skiller reported though (i was in the game too), I thought that was a bit too much!

Guess this was one of the rules that was maybe... lost in translation. Not allowed in Season 1, but done regularly by many players over time... until this thread!

[Hutzu]

The juggling rule for pub games is different to the rule in LIHL.

Pub:

Intentionally preventing the king from attacking (king juggling).

Means as long as you don't prevent the King from attacking you can switch the targets all you want (I guess at one point it might also be banable, for example 15 creeps and 3 kraken with low attack king and you switch targets for 2 minutes or so, I'm not sure how Game Moderators handle such extreme cases)

LIHL:

It is not permissible to change the kings target repetitively with the purpose of gaining more gold or time.

I really don't understand what isn't clear here :p
You can't switch targets repetitively with the intend to gain more time or gold, which means your first example would also not be ok.

...because each time you switch back you abort one attack of the king and thus gain time.

The same happens in your first example, there's no difference. Why would your first example not break the rule? What do you get by switching between all creeps till they are all 1 hits than time?

Oh, I hadn't noticed the rules for King Juggling were different between pub and LIHL. That's why I was kinda confused how the rule supersexyy stated was used on my example, where my request was denied. Now it's all clear. Don't get me wrong. The rule is clear as it can be, I just didn't realize the rule was different between pub and lihl, that's all

[Diablo_]

Archiving since everything has been solved.
The end of the story: play fair and don't abuse the rules.