Why i avoid LIHL now

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Re: Why i avoid LIHL now

Postby godlik3 » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:48 pm

i know u think i am one of them lol u can say it np....but u can also clog mid building only magic for example or pierce and u will still leak tons on 17....

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Re: Why i avoid LIHL now

Postby Krumme » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:25 pm

@godlik3 clogg mid on purpose and you will regret it

"80% of time ppl will fuck up the build and they cant come back." - if they fuck up regulary they aren't fit for this league
Maybe it's time for a change in modes even though by far the most of league will be against it

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Re: Why i avoid LIHL now

Postby godlik3 » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:02 am

why would i regret....its a rule now??and u cant say that we clog on purpose if we all build magic and have value...we can just say that we r preparing for 15 instead of 17!

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Re: Why i avoid LIHL now

Postby ZTX)Fiji » Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:58 am

With all due respect - your oppinion about the league being weaker every season

(due to change of strategy and playstyle)

is in fact about 4884392 % wrong - if a stacked team from season 5 or 6 played, lets say 3v4 vs a season 1,2,3 team - then the 4 playeres from the first 3 seasons could be killed at will like pubs . - Theres a reason why strategies change.

HOWEVER: if a team results in clogging mid, and if its the same Guys players doing it often - then it is a result of ignorance strategywise, Aswell as showing the lack of skills needed to play the final stage of yolo style (which has become the standart playstyle ever since it was introduced) - this change of strategy and playstyle has set a completely new standart as to what is classified as being skilled computer to a year ago - weather or not you are good enough to play it, and understand it is what has become the new standarts for your quallification into playing LIHL, on top of getting the little things right.
In other Words - if you cant play yolo right or g'et simple shit right consistantly - your no longer quallified for this level of legion.

(Where i Do agreeing with you, is that the quallity of the avarage lihlplayer has dropped alot, and a huge part of that is due to the massive leap of skill-difference from regular TD to Yolo-td, which many players dont full understand) Not Because of the strategies or playstyles themselves.
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Re: Why i avoid LIHL now

Postby ILOCOS_NORTE » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:39 pm

ZTX)Fiji wrote:if a stacked team from season 5 or 6 played, lets say 3v4 vs a season 1,2,3 team - then the 4 playeres from the first 3 seasons could be killed at will like pubs . - Theres a reason why strategies change.


If a season 1 2 3 team would play with season 1 2 3 tactics like double build and cross build I doubt the season 5 6 team wins.

And now for the very same reason why cross, double build and anti stuck was banned (because they were overpowered strategies and lead to lower skill, less required knowledge of towers and so on) the yolo thing has to be ballanced as well. And I dont realy understand the reason against no -gg mode.

And what godlike says about 80% would fail with -hpmmcb mode ... If they are not retardet they learn quickly and can play that mode.

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Re: Why i avoid LIHL now

Postby pewpew lasergun » Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:44 am

ILOCOS_NORTE wrote:
pewpew lasergun wrote:!unvouch elo < 875

Unvouch on a w/l basis only. We need <900k elo to have players with >1100k elo.



not true.
u can have not a single player lower than 900 and still have players over 1100.
i can emulate it in a table, but no need, basic maths ;)

anyway what i wanted to say


i suggested hpmmcbGG or hpmmcbHG
no gold from mid leaks or no gold from king.
what everyone thinks ?

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Re: Why i avoid LIHL now

Postby Krumme » Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:56 am

pewpew lasergun wrote:
ILOCOS_NORTE wrote:
pewpew lasergun wrote:!unvouch elo < 875

Unvouch on a w/l basis only. We need <900k elo to have players with >1100k elo.



not true.
u can have not a single player lower than 900 and still have players over 1100.
i can emulate it in a table, but no need, basic maths ;)

anyway what i wanted to say


i suggested hpmmcbGG or hpmmcbHG
no gold from mid leaks or no gold from king.
what everyone thinks ?


I for one would be up for 2 weeks of trial of this but unless you get more people to vote yes for the suggestion than no it wont happen

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Re: Why i avoid LIHL now

Postby ZTX)Fiji » Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:01 pm

Cross & Db is air compared to yolo - besides if it was allowed again, could you immagin 4 yoloers switching to double build ? it would just buff yolo beyond the powers of Allah
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Re: Why i avoid LIHL now

Postby godlik3 » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:40 am

Doesn't matter of double crosser with archers.... If the game goes to 31 bye bye cross =)

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Re: Why i avoid LIHL now

Postby BA_Fail » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:00 am

You guys are all bitching about the stupidest shet

Really, what you guys personally define as skill makes it extremely biased. Similar to highest income coming here and saying it takes no skill to play games where people save (he was wrong of course). The meta changes, and what is required to be good changes as well.

I will agree with there being less skill in that it is easier to be good now then it ever was before. All you need to know is how to do well lvl 1-5 and knowing when to send. Of course there is a little bit more you can add to it, but those parts are crucial if you don't want to constantly lose. As opposed to back in the day where it was important to build so that you barely hold/barely leak, and upping king was actually a tactical move and wasn't rushed. Whenever I play now I just feel like my brain shuts down, and there isn't as much thinking as I used to do, but that's just me I don't know about you guys.

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Re: Why i avoid LIHL now

Postby Krumme » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:43 am

I agree BA_Fail and it has been like that for a while also why suggestions as hpmmcb sounds good in my ears or modes such as this to actually get some skill in to the league

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Re: Why i avoid LIHL now

Postby ZTX)Fiji » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:00 pm

regular yolo > cross with arch and merc haha its been veryfied vs every single possible combination of crossing or db xD!!!! if u pubbed more ud know - shud rly host private games to show u xD & ur forgetting that u cant "hold" ur way to victory xD the later u take a game vs yolo the more waste of time u do... i would love to host a private game to show u xD
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Re: Why i avoid LIHL now

Postby MarshMallows » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:55 am

the 1st rule of Legion club.
We dont talk about legion club.

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Re: Why i avoid LIHL now

Postby Lisk » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:30 pm

ZTX)Fiji wrote:regular yolo > cross with arch and merc haha its been veryfied vs every single possible combination of crossing or db xD!!!! if u pubbed more ud know - shud rly host private games to show u xD & ur forgetting that u cant "hold" ur way to victory xD the later u take a game vs yolo the more waste of time u do... i would love to host a private game to show u xD


Do you have replays of this that I can learn from? I want to learn how to beat cross/merc in pubs when I play with my friends.
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Re: Why i avoid LIHL now

Postby Akitos » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:13 am

ZTX)Fiji wrote:regular yolo > cross with arch and merc haha its been veryfied vs every single possible combination of crossing or db xD!!!! if u pubbed more ud know - shud rly host private games to show u xD & ur forgetting that u cant "hold" ur way to victory xD the later u take a game vs yolo the more waste of time u do... i would love to host a private game to show u xD


Actually cross yolo with archer/polar or archer/tot is the strongest you can have and also beats solo yolo by miles. There are many reasons for that, one would be that you're at least clearing 1 side at 7 while being 7/4-5 (might even hold both with weak send) and you're going to kill 3+ bosses on 10, depending on your towers. Not to mention that 15 is no threat to cross, but to solo it is. So cross yolo is even more safe than solo. Archer/polar(tot) is the only cross yolo that i consider stronger than double yolo tho.
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