Unfair Ban ?

[tastay]

There is a difference between normal yolo and suicide yolo

You can do either but it varies with your units..

You can do the normal 7/3+ pre 7 with units and then recover post 7 because your units are strong enough on level 8 but there are certain units that cant kill 8 even with 1000+ value like engineers

With engineers you should push a lot more earlier and recover with the gold post 10

Thought this was common knowledge?

The original purpose of the "clog" rule was to stop the 4 suicider strat pre 5 and selling units on 6 to end the game on 7 but people are just changing rules willy nilly now to fit their own agenda these days because the games don't play the way they like it

[Krayyzie]

Nothing wrong with pushing, but one fact stands out very much in this game...

First everyone complained bout their units, then :
(02:09 / Allied) Wolke: 2 king 10
(02:15 / Allied) Wolke: need HARD yolo

This is when i decided fuck it, i wont do the clog style that peopl seems to want already after 2 mins.

(02:30 / Allied) Braveheart_wins: and u wonder why we hate 4s
(02:42 / Allied) Braveheart_wins: im gonna hold every lvl this game
(02:50 / Allied) Braveheart_wins: u guys yolo and clog as much as u want

This is the answer:

(03:08 / Allied) elektro-: u need to hold only 5 6 9
(03:09 / Allied) elektro-: red

Nothing more with that..game continues, and here comes the worst part of the whole freakin game, After level 5, im adding a spawn and having extra gold for a 2nd spawn on 7(enemies sent 5, which means its quite sure i hold 7 with it). Once level 6 starts

(13:19 / Allied) elektro-: push hard now
(13:39 / Allied) elektro-: red push ?
(14:07 / Allied) elektro-: red
(14:08 / Allied) elektro-: answer
(14:12 / Allied) elektro-: WHY not push

(14:39 / Allied) Braveheart_wins: u dont get the fact why i dont play 4s?
(14:40 / Allied) elektro-: we have a chance
(14:43 / Allied) Braveheart_wins: and
(14:45 / Allied) Wolke: you hate clog
(14:48 / Allied) elektro-: dude
(14:49 / Allied) Braveheart_wins: 3 sec into game u wanna clog the whole fuckign game
(14:54 / Allied) Wolke: but what should we do different
(15:02 / Allied) elektro-: we win 10 <-------
(15:03 / Allied) Wolke: i have raider komodo healaura dark priest
(15:05 / Allied) elektro-: but no with 4 1 <-------
(15:16 / Allied) Wolke: i need ob like hell and stay low and still leak
(15:28 / Allied) elektro-: no
(15:32 / Allied) elektro-: chill
(15:41 / Allied) elektro-: red prefers to lose instead of smart play <-------
(15:43 / Allied) Wolke: i hate this playstyle aswell
(15:47 / Allied) Wolke: it´s fine
(15:47 / Allied) elektro-:
(15:54 / Allied) Wolke: go 1 hit
(16:00 / Allied) elektro-: 2 atack
(16:02 / Allied) elektro-: rest save
(16:02 / Allied) bbo.bbo: haha
(16:05 / Allied) Wolke: not att 18
(16:06 / Allied) elektro-: 22
(16:13 / Allied) Wolke: fuck it
(16:15 / Allied) Wolke: save heal

And after that you seriously go whine in forum about you played it as you could and didnt want to clog?
U even tell me(ur teammemeber) I prefer to loose rather than play smart, play smart in your book is leaking 120-130 units on 7 and leaking 8 again more,rather than holding the lanes since you guys pushed? Seriously? Your only, and i mean only, goal with this game was to clog and kill em 10.
And when people join this league, they are told to listen and learn from experienced players, you´ve been here for an insanely long time, and mrnoob(new to league), is supposed to learn from this? And starting lots of threads saying you couldnt play differently, you did what you could? Yep, big time clog, you didnt succed to get is as big as you wanted, sorry I made ur clog smaller than u wanted...

[elektro]

answer me 1 question. we didnt sent lvl 7, they leaked 80+ to king. we didnt sent 8 they leaked same number of creeps, they leaked 9 too still they and you think it was clog from our side. If u consider i could do better with my prisoner i am willing to listen. if not stop saying craps pls.
Fanatismo yoloed harder than me still he posted and got no unvouch.

[Wolke]

Man that´s not funny anymore, you blame me for rr, where is the rule which said i am not allowed to rr at lvl 1 if don´t like my unit´s. Yes tot, tribesman was clearly better but at that point i didn´t know.
Then we have this point (02:09 / Allied) Wolke: 2 king 10 (02:15 / Allied) Wolke: need HARD yolo.
Checking my team unit´s at this point at the game, i thought we had no holder for 7 and 8 and also we weak 5, since only brave good with panda for it. So with no immo we don´t send 7 and 8 (not 8 because they had plenty of time to get 18att fast).
With hard yolo i didn´t say clog just to push early since we had good units to lumber up fast like fanatismo did aswell, just we DIDN´T LEAK wave 3 and 4 without send. He started extending the time of each round, which results in heavy leak from us lvl 5, so the other team get huge advantage by gaining more time first.
Then i said: (14:54 / Allied) Wolke: but what should we do different. What i mean is, depending on the units i saw, there was no other option to do better @key lvl. I don´t know what options my mates had, but if go for hold with unit´s my mates didn´t expect (so no ygg or harlot etc) i communicate. So i just wanted to express my thoughts that´we couldn´t hold 5 with prisoner,meatwagon raider, not that we can´t or shouldn´t (because we want to cog) with other units.

15:28 / Allied) elektro-: no
(15:32 / Allied) elektro-: chill
(15:41 / Allied) elektro-: red prefers to lose instead of smart play <-------
(15:43 / Allied) Wolke: i hate this playstyle aswell
(15:47 / Allied) Wolke: it´s fine

Here you can see again, that i didn´t want to clog at all and also didn´t wanted to force brave to yolo. It´s fine was the "Answer" for the Question if Brave should hold or not.

So we leaked 7 hard to king with huge send, which happends in nearly every game without really good holder like ygg or harlot, so i didn´t see any rule break.
Wave 8 is quite the same, maybe elektro- could do better by staying 7/3 but well i didn´t force him to push or stay low it was his decision not my. So i see no fail from my side here. Also we as team got already fucked 5 and 7. The other team who only got send wave 2 leaked nearly the same 8 and that was actually way more easy for them to holdfor them since they got massiv kinggold from us.
So far we only failed 1easy wave (6) to leak huge without send and we didn´t have/build anti 5 at this point, which only brave could also. (mrnoob failed lvl 2 couldn´t grey anymore).
The other team leaked 3 waves already ofc not the same amount since they had better units and benefit from our kingleak 5.
So you blame us for sending hard 10 but you send hard 5 and 7 by gaining this offensive position in this game by fanatismo leaking 3 4.
You forced us with your early leaks and send into rly bad defensive position(atleast much more bad then without leaking 3 4).
Yes i said 2 king 10, but should we send 7 without immolation and no holder who can atleast do fine at midd. You didn´t leak the same amount like we but atleast for nearly same time and at an early point of the game. We even offered you to draw, since we know drama was comming and here again you can see i didn´t want to clog, but you was so sure you survive 10.

All in all:
We hold 3-4 Fanatismo didn´t
We didn´t hold 5 with bad units. Fanatismo aswell.
We leaked huge 6 Yeah here we failed ofc, but i for example spend all gold, leaking 6 with meatwagon ist normal, and 1 maverick 2 prisoner 1 icetroll is normal i think ( i don´t say he couldn´t or shouldn´t build more, just that many other player build ca like that value aswell)
we leaked nearly same amount 8, so no benefit from us leaking that much.
After getting huge preasure whole game so far and with our units we ofc leaked 9. Maverick medium armor, meatwagon also bad and my roll aswell.
So what do you want. Next time if a team let´s say get´s 1 Holder and 1x sprite 1x meatwagon 1x scientist yolo. you really want them to !ff und "dodge" the ban, because at lvl 1 it is clear that this team will leak huge 5 6 7 8 9, especially if the other team leaks 3 and 4 in order to send harder 5.
It´s nothing against you Fana, you could or should hold 3-4, but this things happend, but the result is that we leaked more ofc during whole game.

[elektro]

i think wolke explained very well what happened, but blind eyes and deaf years see and hear this.as i said, idc. since we got 2 days unvouch for nothing, i will play as few games as i can here, and those games, no matter what unit i have, i will go hold my lane even if i have to stay 1 0. if one players leaks all lvls i will post and i expect ban him for leak huge in order to buy time for king/send.

[Diablo_]

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