Eldryan TeamKilled + Assisting enemy team

[supersexyy]

In civ wars we have a 'captain' who has the final decision. Not sure how well it would work in the egotistical world of lihl.

[Iznogood]

On the other side.. we have always played with democracy in LIHL.. worked good so far.. is it another rule or is it just the player with the ego attitude we need to chamge.

From the same replay:

(15:14 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: lvl 12
(15:21 / Allied) Drahque: maybe 14 vs. hades?
(15:23 / Allied) Iznogood: lod sucks vs 10
(15:28 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: lol lod rapes dude
(15:31 / Allied) Drahque: ye
(15:34 / Allied) Iznogood: hades rapes
(15:38 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: both rape
(15:39 / Allied) Iznogood: 3 lods.. fail
(15:40 / Allied) Drahque: lod OP OP
(15:45 / Allied) Drahque: he is fed
(15:48 / Allied) Drahque: he can overbuild easy
(15:50 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: 1 hades 2 lod holds ez
(16:08 / Allied) Iznogood: 9 bosses?
(16:10 / Allied) Drahque: i vote 12
(16:11 / Allied) Iznogood: doubt it
(16:15 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: will hold first 3
(16:18 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: red shouldn't leak hard
(16:26 / Allied) Iznogood: well u guys voted 12
(16:31 / Allied) pyc: mass if we die we die
(16:31 / Allied) Iznogood: so we go 12

[dweiler]

Guys, take a look at your own role in this confusion:

if you start discussing at level 14, where Drahque starts building as if you two were sure you were going to build at his side, and Eldryan clinging on to the classic 'archer build on the other side' problems will arise.

For next time decide where to build earlier. The enemy team spoke about it as early as right after level 10. If you start discussing that early you won't have those problems.

Look at the difference between the two teams:

Team West:

(20:02 / Allied) pyc: ok here is the plan
(20:04 / Allied) pyc: we db
(20:06 / Allied) pyc: and save 17
(20:09 / Allied) pyc: whois in?
(20:16 / Allied) helekiller: db?
(20:22 / Allied) pyc: double build
(20:25 / Allied) pyc: starting 12
(20:25 / Allied) helekiller: sure
(20:27 / Allied) helekiller: w/e
(20:27 / Allied) Madridista: sure
(21:19 / Allied) pyc: ima come on u
(21:36 / Allied) pyc: or or me?
(21:38 / Allied) pyc: whos better?
(21:40 / Allied) helekiller: u come
(21:47 / Allied) pyc: ok

Team East: Almost 10 minutes later, at level 14

(28:42 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: ust build on me
(28:47 / Allied) Drahque: build on me
(28:48 / Allied) Drahque: i have mutants
(28:53 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: u have archers
(28:56 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: and no mutants built..
(the whole discussion starts after this)

I hope you can see the difference in how west and east handled it. This is not only Eldryan's mistake, but of all 3 of you. See this as a lesson that you should not wait until lvl 14 to decide and have to start communicating about it earlier.

[Iznogood]

Pfff.. It's not a mistake.. It's not listening to your teams decision durings 4 levels.
Like it's been said before half of the forum threads is about Eldryans behavior..
How many bans are needed for an unvouch anyways?

[dweiler]

None of the topics no Eldryan led to a sanction. They therefore have no influence at all on this topic.

[willie64]

You cannot force a player; If you tell me something where i think its a bad move ill mention it as did Eldryan. Convince him otherwise or listen to what he has to suggest. You werent communicating at all, you were b!tch fighting amongst each other. Deal with your loss and learn from it..

[Iznogood]

Convince him otherwise or listen to what he has to suggest.

Haha you're funny willie.. Eldryan lives in his own little world which is why few wants him in the league.

You cannot force a player; If you tell me something where i think its a bad move ill mention it as did Eldryan.

This is the biggest problem at the moment.. 99% plays by team democracy and follow team instructions - But it's not listed as banable not to do so.
Yet even Eldryan knows this is how it's supposed to be

if you look @ previous threads, the mods clearly state that it's "team", as in, there IS NO captain.

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=8768

None of the topics no Eldryan led to a sanction. They therefore have no influence at all on this topic.

Eldryan was temp. unvouched at least 2 times as far as i recall..

[willie64]

Democracy isnt 2 outa 3 people forcing someone to do something.. Thats a shared dictatorship #lulz.

[Drahque]

You cannot force a player; If you tell me something where i think its a bad move ill mention it as did Eldryan.

Since when have anyone in Lihl believed that duo building is a bad idea? And since when has someone believed that not upgrading king, when enemies have been saving for 7+ levels, is a good idea? ... I mean, how nobrainer can a person be? I'm sure he knew what was going to happen, almost as if he didn't give a fuck about giving away an already won game.

Democracy isnt 2 outa 3 people forcing someone to do something.. Thats a shared dictatorship #lulz.

Ehm, I don't know who teached you in school, but you do indeed not know what Democracy or dictatorship is, but I'll gladly explain:
- In order for a Democracy to make a decision, over half of the people must agree. (In this case 66,66 % agreed, which is far over 50 %).
- A dictatorship is when 1 person, solely tries to make a decision, which is what Eldryan were trying to be in this game, since he was making a decision, even though everyone else told him it was wrong to do. That's almost Hitler 2.0.

I don't see why you guys are defending Eldryan? DarkMagicianGirl were banned and unvouched instantly, after doing what Eldryan just did. So, what's the DIFFERENCE?

[willie64]

Im not even going to bother to reply properly here :p
Thanks for the feed :*

[DonaldtheDuckie]

- A dictatorship is when 1 person, solely tries to make a decision, which is what Eldryan were trying to be in this game, since he was making a decision, even though everyone else told him it was wrong to do. That's almost Hitler 2.0.

You're comparing eldryan to Hitler! Oh my..

Edit: If it was me that you were calling hitler 2.0 I would feel extremely annoyed that a fellow lihler was going to such pains as to drag my name through the mud.
Nobody deserves to be compared to Hitler. Nobody. He did atrocities BEYOND comparison, and that you call a fellow coplayer, even if you do not like him, a Hitler 2.0, that is denigrating Eldryan to the extreme.

One can agree to disagree, but you went way too far here.

I find this conduct in total violation with the lihl codes of conduct. To see people having to put up with this kind of abusive and hurtful language is ruining my pleasure of being a lihler as I feel it starkly violates the very integrity of the lihl.
I would like a mod to speak on the matter. This is defamation. And in real life, there are laws against such utterings where they discredit another person in such extreme ways.

[Krayyzie]

Mmm, seems like a long thread here... I just checked the replay, and I would say its pure failure from team, in this case, i believe eld should´ve followed the suggestion izno and draq came up with,mainly because its a team game and in that case 2 players oppinions goes over 1, BUT personally i´d, with no doubt, go with eld´s suggestion here for level 17, even if i had the option to pick 10 times, i´d pick elds side and suggestion 10/10.

I might´ve been againsts eld before, but this is one of the few times i´ve actually agreed to his stubborness on the decision part, and yet i have to say he should´ve gone with team due to 2v1...

[dweiler]

I agree with Duckie this discussion has gone too far by now. To be clear, there is no democratic rule in the LIHL.

As Krayyzie's comment shows, everybody was a bit wrong and a bit right, that happens sometimes. Time to get over it.

Luckily, Drahque ended this discussion with a comparison to Hitler, as it should be

I will move this thread to archive, new threads can be made for new complaints.