Eldryan Unvouch [TOXIC]

[FQ-CoM]

We did discuss this, but I stilll think that manner > something else. Specially in the situation we are in right now. League is falling a part and people who behave bad and disrespectufl is just draggin this down more then it alreayd is

[IOnlySendDinos]

The ignoring has to stop. I remember a few games in which you ignored hug at the start of the game before anything was said, I politely asked you to unignore him and you refused. There were other games with 1007... but here are a couple I found.

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 105236.w3g

(02:09 / Allied) RoseThorn: eld can u unignore hug for this game?
(02:14 / Allied) RoseThorn: lets work together to win
(02:21 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: i ignore hug/1007 every game
(02:23 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: now
(02:30 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: tinsoldier dc
(02:33 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: fcking race

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 116707.w3g

(07:26 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: oh hug also going holder?
(07:48 / Allied) RoseThorn: unignore him
(07:52 / Allied) RoseThorn: he cant read you
(07:56 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: i 2 blaster here anyway
(08:05 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: i can push after 5
(08:08 / Allied) RoseThorn: can you unignore him?
(08:12 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: nop

I hope at the very least you can reflect upon how your actions affect other players in the league, and endeavour to make amendments Eldryan.

[eldryan]

Each game we don't have to replay the same conversations. I ask for draw, he calls me liar, refuses to draw. Argues endlessly then breaks rules and takes ELO. Anything he says I take with 10 pounds of salt at this point, and just isn't constructive to unignore.

In terms of him not drawing, I heard that before and it's bull shit. Should draw as soon as he disconneted. I drew. Pewpew drew. I asked for draw. Not only did people not draw, they started flaming/ calling the enemy a liar. Then refused to draw. Don't BS. You call me a liar then break the rules, then lie about the conversation I literally just posted.


15:26 / All) EldryanTheWise: !draw
(15:26 / All) 1007: Player [EldryanTheWise] has voted to draw the game. 5 more votes are needed to pass the draw vote.
(15:26 / All) EldryanTheWise: we down 1 heal (our heal just dc)
(15:26 / All) OccupyW.Street: no need draw, we won
(15:26 / All) OccupyW.Street: sry
(15:26 / All) EldryanTheWise: ....
(15:26 / All) EldryanTheWise: 3 heals
(15:26 / All) EldryanTheWise: two ppl upping
(15:26 / All) EldryanTheWise: need draw

(15:52 / All) HugMeOnce: you're lying eld
(15:52 / All) HugMeOnce: no way u live

You refuse to draw... because I'm lying, and there's "no way" I live. 1007 calls me a liar, and you just repeat it - and claim that's justifiable reason to not draw game because "1007 is not appeased".

For more than 5 minutes - which is the time of pause it takes to kick someone. Why you think you can call me a liar/flame and refuse to draw and not get punished, then try to complain about it afterwards... is demonstrative of how truly idiotic you are.

[HugMeOnce]

I already explained the context of what was happening and what you were accused of you are completely delusional of reality at this point.

As a sidenote that shouldn't even be a topic of conversation, you were lying... you don't live in that scenario...

[eldryan]

I already explained the context of what was happening and what you were accused of you are completely delusional of reality at this point.

As a sidenote that shouldn't even be a topic of conversation, you were lying... you don't live in that scenario...

It shouldn't be a topic, because the rules say draw. You didn't draw. Thus...

There's no context that they can't see in the conversation I posted. Alt+tabbing WHILST TALKING IN GAME is a very impressive feat, and doesn't block any draw regardless of info that "shouldn't even be a topic of conversation".

[HugMeOnce]

Well you can let the mods interpret it how they want to. On my behalf there was no intent to not draw and if you can find any other instance of me calling for a non draw then prove it.

I'll just add one last thing before I go to dinner, you can perceive this as bad conduct from me in this league. But there was no malicious intent... I wasn't trying to take elo from the game. This was one isolated incident that was already explained. I don't have a history of poor misconduct. But you on the other hand... lol. It is just a matter of time now Eldryan before you are shown in your true light. Tick Tock...

[eldryan]

So you want 2 rule violations for one punishment? Cool.

If I needed to let the mods interpret it, that would be retarded. I was there. I know the rules, and have moderated. I don't need to report...

Edit: So you flamed, accused others of lying, and refused to draw - breaking the draw rule, without any ill-intent. You accused tinsoldier of pp in chat, then later recanted and denied it. There's no need to wait for anything. You can see my attitude right here, and your rule violations. Take a guess which the moderators should be discussing.

[Lord-Miles]

Still remember my firs game with that dude , hes playing on his own , dont like to listen other players very toxic player with big mouth and high ego like he know all .
Many of the games i play with he make team force send with him and if he dont like someone hes just using ignore and keep playin his own game.
as i see hes still doing that.

[1007]

its not about hug,me and eld
just every game many and many a time ppl talking 'i dont wanna play with eld'
someone try vote? 'you wanna play with eld? 'yes' or 'no'

[MarshMallows]

its not about hug,me and eld
just every game many and many a time ppl talking 'i dont wanna play with eld'
someone try vote? 'you wanna play with eld? 'yes' or 'no'

There was a vote but the mods removed it as they didnt want this to be a popularity thing.

This is the text from the game i was talking about

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=8121573

(00:00 / All) Fate: Shortest load by player [EldryanTheWise] was 7.41 seconds.
(00:00 / All) Fate: Longest load by player [SONY-] was 11.76 seconds.
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(00:00 / All) Fate: Good luck and have fun!
(00:00 / Allied) FredeGL: -zoom 200
(00:00 / Allied) Beastman: -zoom 160
(00:01 / Allied) Fate: -zoom 190
(00:01 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: !Ignore hug
(00:02 / Allied) marshmallows: -zoom 188
(00:07 / Allied) hate2lose: i wanna snipe eld
(00:14 / Allied) FredeGL: +++++

[HugMeOnce]

Instances in which Eldryan has used !ignore command unprovoked

lihl79y
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 125758.w3g
(00:35 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: !ignore hug
(00:36 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: lol
(00:58 / Allied) HugMeOnce: u guys gonna have to tlel me if eld calls since he ignored me
(instant ignore unprovoked)

lihl67r
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 121688.w3g
(00:01 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: !ignore hug
(instant ignore unprovoked)

lihl37q
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 121573.w3g
(00:01 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: !Ignore hug
(00:43 / Allied) marshmallows: un ignore?
This is marsh asking eldryan to unignore me and this is his response
(00:51 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: nn
(02:02 / Allied) HugMeOnce: so we go 2?
(02:06 / Allied) marshmallows: yeah go 2
(02:12 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: stupid as shit rofl
(02:25 / Allied) marshmallows: well if u can talk to hug maybe its easier to call
(02:34 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: can't argue with this send, it's obvs bad

keep in mind he has me ignored this entire time... complete disrespect to all the players on his team and is a source of tk

lihl28q
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 119200.w3g
(02:09 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: !ignore hug
(unprovoked)

lihl28o
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 119066.w3g
(00:25 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: !ignore hug
(00:44 / Allied) HugMeOnce: u guys gonna have to tell me whats happening since eld ignored me
(00:46 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: we should really have rule, if u use !ignore you can't make calls for game
(01:05 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: hug can also
(01:08 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: but u gotta relay
(01:14 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: unless he used ignore
Once again instant ignore unprovoked. Is this a joke? Did he really suggest that I could make the calls but then our 2 teammates would then have to relay them back to him. This type of behavior should have zero tolerance.

lihl28z
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 116707.w3g
(00:23 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: rofl
(00:25 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: watching this replay
(00:26 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: of tournament
(00:28 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: !Ignore hug
(once again unprovoked unignore)
(07:26 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: oh hug also going holder?
Can’t even directly speak to one another to coordinate builds, team should not be burdened with this behaviour


lihl50x
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 116401.w3g

[System]: Balancing slots completed.
[System]: Team 1's combined rating is [3843.50].
[System]: Team 2's combined rating is [3815.77].
[System]: Sentinel/West 1151.72 1136.73 794.55 760.50 Avg: 960.88
[System]: Scourge/East 1236.76 927.12 807.02 844.87 Avg: 953.94
[System]: ELO change: 14.75 / 15.25
[System]: 5. . .
[System]: 4. . .
[System]: 3. . .
[EldryanTheWise]: !ignore hug
[System]: 2. . .
[System]: 1. . .

This time he ignores me in game lobby right before game starts
(01:17 / Allied) HugMeOnce: eld has me on ignored so u have to tell me
(01:20 / Allied) HugMeOnce: whats happening
Once again, I am forced to let my team know that he has put me on ignore...

lihl44r
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 105236.w3g
[System]: *** player [RoseThorn] has joined the game
[EldryanTheWise]: !ignore hugmeonce
[System]: [RoseThorn@useast.battle.net] has played 252 LIHL games here (ELO: 792.11). W/L: 111/141.
[System]: *** player [dweiler] has joined the game
[System]: [dweiler@useast.battle.net] has played 150 LIHL games here (ELO: 1018.14). W/L: 77/73.
[System]: *** player [hate2lose] has joined the game
[System]: [hate2lose@useast.battle.net] has played 32 LIHL games here (ELO: 921.72). W/L: 14/18.
[EldryanTheWise]: !ignore 1007

(ignores both players in lobby)

(02:09 / Allied) RoseThorn: eld can u unignore hug for this game?
(02:14 / Allied) RoseThorn: lets work together to win
(02:21 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: i ignore hug/1007 every game
(02:23 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: now

Rose asks Eldryan for the unignore and this is the response.


lihl45k
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... .w3g(00:10 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: !ignore hugmeonce
(15:58 / Allied) HugMeOnce: if eld is making a call
(15:59 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: we can resend
(16:02 / Allied) HugMeOnce: u guys need to repeat for me
(16:04 / Allied) HugMeOnce: he ignored me

Once again I’m in the dark because Eldryan has me on ignore and dominates the play calling to his agenda... No one should have to deal with this...


Summary:

9 specific instances where Eldryan has !ignored me in the early stages of a game all of which were unprovoked. Ignoring and alienating one person of your team is complete team kill and is not debatable as such. He's done this to me 9 times in the last week. Is this suitable behavior for LIHL? It is complete and utter disrespect to every player on his team for him to do this and force them to relay back and forth between us. What makes matters worse is that he continuously dominates the calls with his own agenda and often sends or makes calls right before the round is over resulting in loss of income. I literally have to look at the box to see if creeps are gonna be sent on specific rounds so I can send with team. These are 9 specific accounts of team kill. How is this in any way justifiable? If this is okay behavior then what is stopping me or anyone else from ignoring members of his/her team then calling a send forcing team to follow. Imagine if he did this to a new vouch... what kind of impression that would give off...


Bonus Comedic Relief

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 105454.w3g

(02:12 / Allied) EldryanTheWise: every game i ignore som1, keep losing
(02:25 / Allied) RoseThorn: u think?

Put 2 and 2 together Eldryan... it is ironic that someone with the word wise in their username can be so petty and narrowminded


Message to the Eldryan and the rest of the league:

Eldryan you keep bringing up the fact that you were a former moderator of the league. That is great man thank you for your services. Unfortunately, it is even more disappointing knowing that you were a former moderator and still act the way you do. Moderators should be outstanding citizens within the league. They should be leading by example. Just because you were one of the original people who were around when LIHL started does not mean you are entitled to go around bullying other players and acting like a complete jerk. Look at how Mick runs things now. He is courteous and interested in the growth of the league supporting players offering advice while you choose to cut down and belittle players for anything you perceive to be a mistake. To all the other players I'm sorry for bringing up drama but is what I'm saying wrong? I know he is not worth the hassle but please I encourage you to share replays or give your own anecdotes with how Eldryan has treated you whether it be good or bad. Please don't be silent.

Note: I'm no longer going to engage in back and forth with this person because from past experiences this thread will be locked down and targeted as a flame war. I repeat this is not flame. Please do not lock thread until league perception is validated.

[Wolke]

When i start a game i just do -zoom 200 and !ignore eld, every time. I don´t need to be best friend with everybody, but eldy is just absolutly toxic, rude to everybody and ruines game atmosphäre. With him in team it´s just Eld>eld>eld>fun for other playerl>calls.

[aRt)Y]

Might want to provide replays so moderators can see for themselves, @MarshMallows

the rules explicitly say you can ignore. saying following the rules is cause for unvouch is pro.

tl;dr; ignoring is ok but not at the beginning of the game without a reason. It hinders communication and afaik, we had punished players before for doing so.

[FadingSuns]

I can live with many different kind of situations, have discussed punctually with many of us and we still love each other. I think eld just needs to relax a bit, start enjoying loses also (its just a game) and feel the team happyness instead of forcé bad atmosphere or trow poisoned dards.

Love all

My 2 cents

ACED

[AvadaKedavra]

I must agree with the complaints that ppl have voiced above.

I have seen eld many times ignore ppl on lvl 0, not just hug, but others too. I have seen eld force calls, refuse/hinder team work etc. He is very toxic in general, and really just stressful to have on ur team. He is also very ignorant and can "do no wrong" according to himself. He mildly/moderately flames often too. Even tk's from time to time with his "special" builds.. He should definatly rethink his attitude, and show some improvement imo

No hate from me really, it's just kinda the way it is

And yeyeye "Avada is also toxic, forces calls, is ignorant on his high lihl #1 horse" I know, but eld is on a different level, and clearly it has caused a lot of issues in the league