LIHL fantasy league

[Diablo_]

Hm I'm also in.

[FadingSuns]

I suggest do it without money until it is stablish... can think on many things to correct. One example:

Im not in my 10 ppl team but on other so i lose game on purpose (not showung evidence, i can just not build ea and go prisoners) to make the other player lose on his roster.

When there is real money involved everything has to be VERY clear and seems we need a new set of rules for this mode.

[FadingSuns]

I mean, in some cases, win the game can be against me. My roster (the one i pay for, doesnt mean i am included there) is classified 2, but i am selected on the roster that is classified 1. I will just lose games so the roster #1 loses elo and the one #2 (the one i paid for) goes top...

[FadingSuns]

Also, we cannot predict the amount of games that will be played by anyone. Imagine i pay 80 for 1007 but one week after he needs to travel 2 month for work... (real life issues). I would get my money back to invest in other?

Can imagine many ways of tk to punish one given roster. Example: one team has 3 players from roster ranked #2 and one from #3. Will be always better to TK that game for the one #3 so 3 ppl of same roster lose elo and in his roster just 1.

[dweiler]

Im not in my 10 ppl team but on other so i lose game on purpose (not showung evidence, i can just not build ea and go prisoners) to make the other player lose on his roster.

This is usually the reason why people aren't allowed to bet on the sports they are in themselves.

Imagine this: next season I play a game with Jubadus, he is 900 Elo, nothing to gain nothing to lose. We play vs 3 players on his roster where he can win 100/60/40 dollar. Do you really think he will try his best to get to 915 elo and sabotage his betting league? That's not asking for trust, it's asking for stupidity for everyone who is in that betting league. I'm sorry, but I don't wanna get TKed for those bets. I can already feel the drama coming from that, and we should not want that in the league. (Sorry jubadus, it's nothing personal, had to pick a random name from the list )

So be creative on making sure conflicts like that cannot arise, because I believe we cannot allow the proposal like it is now (forcing yourself on the roster does not suffice, because if you play vs 2 players on your roster it's still beneficial to lose).

[FadingSuns]

We sometimes forget that some ppl is expert into go to the limit with the rules. Every single path should be taken into account for this. There are too many combinations that can benefit. I mean, would we play to win the game or to make our roster win? thats the first thing to be clarified. Sometimes losing on purpose will be the best way to benefit your roster.

Perhaps we should do something like -> you can only play with people from your roster on team and you cant play vs ppl from ur roster. Thats the first step to avoid losing on purpose issues in my view. But this will require some programming, and maybe should be done on a different mode as the !challenge mode, !roster mode lol. Too many things to take into account to release this happily, because drama consecuences will be so HUGE if u do it just as its proposed right now.

Another funny example. I didnt pay for any roster, and im not included in any roster, but i can freely tk the roster of the ppl that i hate just cuz i hate them XD.

[CreativeLP]

Ace calm down man, if someone is suspecting match fixing then the mods will review that of course. Match fixing is against the rules so it won't be tolerated, we can also just do this for fun without money, btw noone is forcing you to join.

[pewpew lasergun]

dj bet for me !
tin u got too many participants
maybe reduce to a 3 players list

[dweiler]

Just as a heads up here for people wanting to make this league. I really do not want betting in our league where there is a conflict of interests. That is not negotiable for me. You will need to change it in such a way that there are no conflicts or there cannot be such a league at all (with me as moderator at least).

[TinSoldier]

ok guys in regards to your concerns;

1. Ace just like any sports fantasy league (NBA, football, football, NHL) when you draft a player you must take a risk on whether he will get injured and be out for most of the season. Likewise if you want to draft a player whos known to be good but isn't active then it is your decision. Sure we can all try to draft BEEP but is he gonna play next season? no one knows and that can be reflected in the price people are willing to pay for him once his name is brought up in the auction.

2. about money being an incentive for people to TK etc, lets remember guys it is not a huge amount of money we are playing for and it requires a bit of trust. If people start throwing games it will be obvious and they will get reported for TK publicly or VIA PM to mods the same way it is now if people play poorly. Also, remember that your roster is judged on its AVERAGE elo, not highest elo at the end of season therefore if you have a roster of 6 players (example) chances are more often than not you will have ppl of your roster on two different teams and therefore to TK will be pointless.

there are many checks and balances in place to discourage TK guys but at the same time it is a small league so we can place a little trust in each other considering we are not playing for $100's of dollars.

@creativeLP Yes you can bid on yourself, and 10 player size was just an example we were using because we weren't sure originally how many people would be interested and since interest is boomin' we will definitely have to reduce the roster size ;p. In regards to the table i will see what we can do

and finally to get to @n1lle's point, yes you are right,

the long explanation: the player draft will work like a live auction, so if you don't get the player you bet on (someone outbids you) you get your money back right away to bid on the next player. If you run out of money before you fill your roster, then you wait until all other players have either filled their rosters as well or exhausted their money as well, in which case players who haven't filled their rosters will pick from the remaining "free agents" who were not picked during the auction, by turn.

[TinSoldier]

@mickeythemousie

so another anti-tk rule we have in line is that for example on a roster size of 10, only the top 8 elos will be counted towards your rosters average at the end of the season, so this will prevent players from trying to tank their elo to TK others.

also mick no one wants you to step down as mod, therefore if there is any proof of people throwing matches then we will refund all buy-ins and immediately close the fantasy league

[LordOFTheWinds]

Another funny example. I didnt pay for any roster, and im not included in any roster, but i can freely tk the roster of the ppl that i hate just cuz i hate them XD.

u mean like a regular TK on any lihl game? isnt that bannable anyways ?

[HugMeOnce]

Since we capped it to 10 buy ins the most anyone is going to make is $80. If anyone here is hard up for that kind of money, smh. We'll do a background check on everyone entering the league to make sure they aren't broke. Not taking all scores from one roster will cushion that sort of thing...tanking. If theres 10 players its gonna support having 7-8 each then taking the average of your top 5-6 players (this isn't set in stone yet we'll have to see how many people sign up.)

Tin will collect $20 dollars from each of the participants before the season starts. If there is clear indication of colluding/tanking we'll review it within the group of participants and if anyone feels uncomfortable we'll immediately refund the $20 dollars to each of the participants and terminate the league. This isn't exactly life changing money I would hope that no one in LIHL is depraved enough to do so.

Also, people should keep their rosters private within the participant group so as not to promote outsiders to influence the outcome.

To reiterate, its 20$ USD. Really there are people here who are going to put their reputation on the line for 20$? Really? Shame on you.

@CreativeLP I'll have the entire league on a spreadsheet and I can email the participants every sunday the spreadsheet or I'll put it up on google docs and we can have a shared database.

Lastly, if anything this should promote better more competitive play as the majority of the participants will more than likely bid and get themselves as it will be a double incentive to win.

[HugMeOnce]

@Nl113

So lets say Tin spends $100 on himself and exhausts his bankroll for the auction. He will then have to wait until everyone else is out of money. Once that happens the participants who are then out of money will go through the "free agents" and select players through an ordered draft.The order of the draft will be determined by who exhausts their bankroll first. For example, lets say Tin runs out of money then Pew runs out of money then Nore runs out of money. Nore will have first pick, then Pew, then Tin. This will repeat until all the players have their full roster set.

We are also considering having a midseason draft for anyone to trade one of their players for a free agent and it will be bid upon anyone who has money saved in their bankroll then once again ordered through whoever exhausts their bankroll first as the example is shown above.

[aRt)Y]

@MickeyTheMousie I dont mind if it's the league's wish. However, just keep in mind the prior polls to the suggestion (increasing toxicity, hate, etc.). Finding the proper amount of money is important, imo.

Other than that, the only necessity I see is that the pool money is transferred to ENT directly and rewarded from ENT directly (without any third-party), too.