Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

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Re: Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

Postby Diablo_ » Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:56 pm

Feor wrote:You missed the part the we tried to explain what happened but he didn't care.
You also missed the part he threatened with unvouch Drahque and Patarinsky. ( At least I saw it as threatening, given the word choice and tone. ).


Well, as long as we can't get the chat logs we can't really form an opinion on this :p
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Re: Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

Postby Drahque » Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:40 pm

Feor is right, we had first started a 3s where both Feor and me were part of, then we were told that there were more people out in the channel so we decided to see if we could 4s to not leave anyone out. When we did !start, only 5 people did !sign, which were very weird since we had just started a 3s (importance to notice, that LihlDiabloDuck WERE in the channel at this very moment, and didn't !sign).

Then we decided to !unsign and go do the 3v3, but at the moment a person typed !start3, 8-9 people did !sign almost simultaneously. Including Duck and someone else, who hadn't previously signed. Then all people join lihl98n, where there were 2 observers as well. Everyone wanted to !unhost so everyone could play, except Duck persisted to and went against what 7 out of 8 players wanted - his excuse were: "I want to play 3v3, not 4v4" and "If I tell Patarinsky to start, HE HAVE TO START, if he don't, he will be UN-vouched immediately", and "Drahque shut up, if you speak one more time you ARE un-vouched as well" and so on. I really wish @bit or @supersexyy could check the chat logs from that 15 minute lobby chat of Duck going against the spirit of the League, and totally abruptly ignoring what everyone wanted. He was the only 1 out of 8 who wanted the game to start. And when we explained to him, what happened, he didn't even want to listen. Saying we were lying and so on. It's complete bullshit way for a moderator to behave.

P.S. notice we've already had such a discussion with HealByColor before, where the conclusion were somewhat, that generally we should let as many people as possible play - also that if 1 person doesn't want 4v4, he should NOT ruin it for 7 other people.

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Re: Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

Postby Diablo_ » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:15 pm

Some people mentioned there were 10 ppl ready to play, so in this case it would be best to start the 3vs3 and make another 2vs2. What do you say about that?
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Re: Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

Postby Iznogood » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:49 pm

Diablo_ wrote:Well, as long as we can't get the chat logs we can't really form an opinion on this :p

... but as you can see from the game times another game was NOT created shortly after this 3v3
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Re: Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

Postby Drahque » Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:34 pm

Diablo_ wrote:Some people mentioned there were 10 ppl ready to play, so in this case it would be best to start the 3vs3 and make another 2vs2. What do you say about that?

It's quite obvious to be honest, because at the given moment we decided to !unsign and !start3 instead of the 4, we had only 5 people signed and people AFK in the chat. But when we suddenly did !start3, a lot of people who had previously not WRITTEN and people who had been AFK for hours, instantly did !sign. Exactly 8 people did !sign in a very brief moment, and shortly after joined the created game (3 vs 3 + 2 observers = 8 people). If Duck had not persisted the game to start, the game had been un-hosted almost immediately. But instead chose to discuss for whole 15 minutes, because he wanted something else than 87,5 % of the people wanted - in fact 100 % of the people who wasn't himself.

First about 9 minutes into the discussion, Duck told us that BA_fail was in the channel ready to play. At this moment I did /w BA_fail without a respond (to my first whisper). I told Duck that earlier BA_fail told us he had to go for 45 minutes, so we expected him to be AFK. Also the real question is, who would be the 10th person? Anyways, this doesn't change the fact that Duck solely wasted 15 minutes of 8 peoples time, a total of 2 hours.

Also to be honest Diablo_, you shouldn't really comment on what happened when you wasn't there, especially not before you have seen Duck's poor way of handling this situation by threatening people and so on ...I really can't say it better than Litecp did:
Litecp wrote:Yes this was rly bad behavior from Duck, didnt actually belive my eyes when i saw his comments.

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Re: Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

Postby DonaldtheDuckie » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:33 pm

Iznogood wrote:
Diablo_ wrote:Well, as long as we can't get the chat logs we can't really form an opinion on this :p

... but as you can see from the game times another game was NOT created shortly after this 3v3


Ofc another game wasnt created shortly after. That would have required the 2 obs, Feor and Drahque, in the 3v3 game (who persisted that 6 people signed for a hosted 3v3 game unhost so that they could play their favorite mode 4v4) to leave lihl98n to join the 2 people waiting for them in the channel, BA-Fail and Pyc. But instead of listening that there were 10 people wanting to play, they were too busy flaming me.

Also taking lites comment like that out of its context is in very bad taste. He obviously got the impression that the 2 players, that didnt sign for the original 4v4 game, tried to "snipe" spots from those original players, in other words, Willies nr 1 scenario. That scenario would also reflect negatively upon me if it was true but it isnt. Im certain that lites comment is because he felt hurt that a player he considered a friend, seemed to do something he couldnt believe. I am also certain that Lite did not understand that there were 10 people wanting to play, but thought it was just 8.

Thing is that 10/10 players would have played within 1 min if the 2 obs Feor and Drahque werent so busy flaming the shit outta me in the lobby, going capsmode crazy with their wild theories of me signing just to snipe their spots. I have no idae why they immediately think I got the worst intentions for them, it just shows they dont know me at all.

It is a fact that their spamming the lobby caused game owner Patarinsky to not start the game, as he obviously felt unsure as how to proceed.

I will repeat myself 1 last time, if the 2 obs Feor and Drahque hadnt been so concerned about voicing their disgust over what they obviously felt was a malicious intended snipe just to hurt them, instead of listening to what I had to say, they would have known just as I did, that there were in fact 10 players wanting to play, Ba_fail and pyc waiting in channel. If Feor and Drahque hadnt been so concerned about making drama, another game would have been started shortly after ours, and none of us would be having this conversation.

This complaint is about something else the way I see it. It is trying to paint more smoke where there is none. I have been accused minimum 5 times of doing something bad lately, where I havent done those users anything. It seems that some of you are obsessed with trying to get at me. It is pathetic really. To those of you who keep falsely accusing me of shit.
There are people dying in the world, and instead of taking the time you have to make things better constructively and trying to enjoy a video game, you try to paint mass smoke to try and illustrate there being a fire. You spend your time being destructive. Maybe you should think over the fact that, saying something often doesnt make it true. If it was wrong to begin with saying it 100 times wont make it right.

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Re: Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

Postby eldryan » Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:18 am

I support Diablo_'s opinion in this to an extent. Duck obviously did nothing wrong. You can threaten to report someone for unvouch/dodge REGARDLESS of if you're mod and the person breaks the rules. Furthermore, if everyone signs for a game they should play it. The "rules" are there to insure respect of not just the majority, but the minority as well. In this case the minority was a mod, and exercised the rights he has to protect his interests - it seems valid. If someone has a legit emergency / reason they have to go, obviously they can unhost. but just because you !sign in a previous game doesn't mean you own/possess the spot in any legal/applicable way, by rules.

@lihldiabloduck dude it's obvious you're in the right here. if they want to challenge the rules, fine. supporting the rules as a mod isn't wrong. if they believe in a different system that's not in the rules, they can abide by it, but can't call for punishment of those who don't share their exact etiquette. (no need for twenty essay post).

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Re: Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

Postby Drahque » Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:24 am

eldryan wrote:In this case the minority was a mod, and exercised the rights he has to protect his interests - it seems valid.

The thing is, in this scenario the minority were a Duck, a moderator, who should wish the best for the community and be a good example of a Lihl-player. But he was too selfish to even care about the interest of his fellow members, where 7 out of 8 wanted to !unhost to do a 4v4 - BUT no way in Duck's mind, his reason were: "I do NOT play 4v4". Like WTF? Why ruin it for 2 people, just because you don't want 4v4? This is what everyone who WERE in the game have such a hard time understanding.

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Re: Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

Postby eldryan » Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:29 am

I know feor prefers 4v4, and other players don't. a lot of the time, people 4v4 and exclude 2 players instead of 3v3 and 2v2 which would include everyone (as seems the case here tbh). so because you want to play 4v4 and exclude players, and he wants to play 3v3 and 2v2 which includes everyone, it seems like your own arguement supports him as well (obviously my argument is based off his rights as a minority party in this, that if you join a game !unhosting it because you believe you have more of a right to play your game now that you've found more ppl/don't want what som1 who is in the game wants, it's diminishing his equality).

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Re: Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

Postby Drahque » Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:37 am

eldryan wrote:I know feor prefers 4v4, and other players don't. a lot of the time, people 4v4 and exclude 2 players instead of 3v3 and 2v2 which would include everyone (as seems the case here tbh).

That wasn't the scenario here, at the moment we did !start4, there were only 5 people who signed and when we did !start 3, there were 7 or 8 people who did !sign. Rest were AFK. Stop commenting on a situation when you weren't there, obviously there wasn't enough for another game, as Iznogood have shown. On top of that, BA_Fail+Pyc had been AFK for hours, and how should we know they were suddenly back, when we had been in a lobby chat for 15 minutes? First about 9 minutes into the discussion in the lobby chat, did Duck mention BA_fail, but then again that only make 9 players.

Also noone of this happened because Feor anyone preferred 4v4, but because everyone WANTED everyone to be able to PLAY. Not that 2 or 3 people has to sit out, just because Duck preferred 3v3. The thing is, after double build have been banned, there is not much of a difference between 3s and 4s anymore. Personally I don't care about playing 2s, 3s or 4s anymore - since we are all alone after all. But we as a League, should care that as many as possible can play. But in this case, Duck did not give a flying fuck about the 2 people who had to sit out, just because he didn't want to sign for the 4v4. That is extremely lousy. No discussion needed here.

[spoiler=Summary of what happened - for those who weren't there (IMPORTANT)]a) !start 3, where 6 people signed.
b) After the 6 people joined the 3v3, we were told that Duck logged on and decided we wanted to try 4v4, so that he and Faith could play as well (NOTICE: we did this because we DO care that as many as possible can play).
c) !start 4, only 5 people signed.
d) !unsign, because people didn't wanna wait any-longer.
e) !start 3, at this moment, 8 people withing a second or two did !sign.
f) 8 people immediately joined the game, asked for a !unhost because obviously we had 8 people who wanted to join. But no, Duck did not wanna play 4v4, which people got mad over because we had just unhosted so that he could play!
g) Here a 15 minute discussion started, where EVERYONE tried to convince Duck what had just happened, but he didn't believe us and said it was bullshit, that he did not "steal" any spots or ninja-sign or anything like that and that he wanted to play 3s instead of 4s. Obviously nobody except Duck wanted to play, ending up in 2 people leaving the game (so that Patarinsky couldn't !start).[/spoiler]

@Yondaime or any moderator, I really hope you'll take a look at the chats and see how rude Duck behaved. Punishing Patarinsky for something that was out of his control, he is not allowed to start a game where only 4 out of 6 is in the game and where obviously nobody wanted to play. Duck threatened several people and behaved in a very rude way of a moderator, caring more about himself than what everyone else wanted.

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Re: Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

Postby eldryan » Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:07 am

so let me get this straight... @drahque you're posting in LIHL forum to get comments only from people who were there, not LIHL. seems like you should consider deleting comments and using something called "private messaging".

however, that scenario then happened, if it was 2 mins into chat or 15 mins into chat, it is still part of complaint as is in this thread.

the LIHL isn't here to only do 4v4 or only 3v3, as we determined long ago. thus if he wants to 3v3, he can. if there's enough players "left out", they can do their own 2v2 (and in this case as LIHLduck suggested it would be leaving out players to 4v4)

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Re: Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

Postby Feor » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:06 pm

eldryan wrote:I know feor prefers 4v4, and other players don't. a lot of the time, people 4v4 and exclude 2 players instead of 3v3 and 2v2 which would include everyone (as seems the case here tbh).



Next time please bother to read the whole topic before answering.
I do like 4s and 3s, and really hate 2s as I have mentioned many times. Also was in the game that was unhosted in order to fit more people to play, but couldn't get in the remake since the "afkers" of 4s suddenly signed on the remake of the 3s.

On the other hand Duckie has told many times that he feels 2s is the best mode, I don't understand if that is the case why he couldn't go play 2s as he told us.

Furthermore eldryan as I said before threatening a player that just got back from a long ban before he does anything is unappropriate and abuse of power.

Now @donaldtheduckie now we can see who is trying to lie and twist the facts ( remember part of what got drahque his ban ).

-Drahque did not flame you, I insulted you twice ( and used caps lock for 4 words in total ) since we were trying to explain you for more than 5minutes the situation and you didn't care.
-Yes you did snipe the spot. Intentionally or unintentionally we don't know, your intransigence to actually talk to any of the remaining 5 players + 2 observers was the worst part.
-There is no conspiracy against you, we do not hold a grudge from the past, the complain is exactly for what it says. 7 people thought you were acting wrong in the game lobby, either we all hate you from the past or you actually did act wrong.

As for the destructive part...

The topic history in the forum is also here so people who don't remember what happened when you first joined ( along with a couple more people ) how you tried to change the whole channel to suit you, while it was already working perfectly.

We both also know how "destructive" my posts in this forum have been, like how for example I was the only one to take time to create proper poll and topic for the new rules to be discussed and set in motion, how I 've posted in the past a lot of times actually trying to help mods with vouch requests of people that had forgot to up replays or to answer important questions.

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Re: Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

Postby cyberpunk » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:52 pm

just my opinion.. complaint should be posted at the forum complaints?.. :3
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Re: Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

Postby Feor » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:24 pm

@cyberpunk there is one in the complaints also however it was processed in order to keep it in one topic and not spam the same subject twice.


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Re: Complaint against mod Lihldiabloduck

Postby eldryan » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:22 am

@feor I did read the whole thing. it goes over and over the same addressed complaining.

furthermore, it's obvious he didn't break the rules, and before unvouching drahque he would have to post it and confirm with other mods.


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