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Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:43 pm**

I got in a situation yesterday where someone, who thinks he is the best, and that only him knows how to play, and that there is only one way to play this, told my friend that mutants goes in front of mavericks and prisoners. My friend also had a goliath. If you want to get a good view of it, i suggest you go watch the replay (https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=8471094).

(25:44 / Allied) Vendeta: mutas
(25:45 / Allied) Vendeta: behind
(25:47 / Allied) Vendeta: dude....
(25:49 / Allied) Chokoladekagen: what
(25:50 / Allied) Chokoladekagen: why
(25:53 / Allied) Vendeta: what a waste...
(25:59 / Allied) Chokoladekagen: mutants in front?
(26:03 / Allied) Vendeta: mutas behind
(26:07 / Allied) Chokoladekagen: no!
(26:07 / Allied) Vendeta: always
(26:10 / Allied) Chokoladekagen: hmm
(26:16 / Allied) Chokoladekagen: ok then
(26:19 / Allied) Vendeta: im just sayin how it is
(26:25 / Allied) Vendeta: wouldnt say if it isnt true...
(26:25 / Allied) Chokoladekagen: :p
(26:30 / Allied) Vendeta: u dont want them to tank
(26:33 / Allied) Vendeta: u want them to kill
(26:34 / Allied) Vendeta: so
(26:40 / Allied) Vendeta: u want prisos to tank mutas
(26:45 / Allied) Vendeta: not other way around
(26:48 / Allied) KiwiKiller[QQ]: well
(26:49 / Allied) KiwiKiller[QQ]: tbh
(26:49 / Allied) Chokoladekagen: hmm
(26:53 / Allied) KiwiKiller[QQ]: priso tank very bad
(27:02 / Allied) Vendeta: not really
(27:38 / Allied) Vendeta: ask any good player
(27:44 / Allied) Vendeta: and get the answer
(27:47 / Allied) Vendeta: if u dont believe me
(27:49 / Allied) Vendeta:
(27:55 / Allied) KiwiKiller[QQ]: answer will very
(27:58 / Allied) KiwiKiller[QQ]: vary*
(28:03 / Allied) Vendeta: nop
(28:07 / Allied) Vendeta: not among good players
(28:08 / Allied) KiwiKiller[QQ]: yes it will
(28:14 / Allied) Vendeta: it just cant
(28:15 / Allied) Vendeta: its like
(28:19 / Allied) Vendeta: hydra goes in front
(28:23 / Allied) Vendeta: same as muta goes behind
(28:25 / Allied) Vendeta: priso
(28:30 / Allied) KiwiKiller[QQ]: well
(28:36 / Allied) KiwiKiller[QQ]: i don't agree
(28:42 / Allied) Vendeta: well
(28:46 / Allied) KiwiKiller[QQ]: and i know ppl who don't agree neither
(28:47 / Allied) Vendeta: i said ask good players
(28:51 / Allied) Vendeta: and ur not good player

Off topic:
By the way, this kind of toxic player is exactly why i'm pissed of this 1200+ bot

So here I am now, asking some good players to show him, hopefully, that people won't always agree with him and that opinions can diverge from his.

In my opinion, placing mutants in front of maverick is good, especially on a level as 15 (normal damage), because maverick won't tank shit because of their medium armor. Also, placing these mutants in front is also good because they will take some initial damage of the first creeps, then marevicks will come up in front because of their lower range to tank some of the damage for the mutants, which are, I know, the main source of damage here.

N.B. Maverick has 920 hp, deals 95-101 damage with a range of 300. Mutant has 1600 hp, deals 209-220 damage with a range of 400.

Thank you,
Kiwi

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:54 pm**

I understand ur point. Sorry but I agree with vendeta. Ofc U r right that mavericks r not good tanks, still better than nothing. I assume he built 1stly mavericks, than rred to mutants. Cause otherwise mavericks r no sense (sry i can not watch replay now).

All in all, the only way is to make muts behind. I would add t1 in front of mavericks btw. The only situation u build behind mutants r:
-aura
-1 goli behind makes rly difference (in front he dies fast and no sense)

Sincerely Urs,
The Supreme Being

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:20 pm**

i agree with crazy skeleton.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:44 pm**

So here I am now, asking some good players to show him, hopefully, that people won't always agree with him and that opinions can diverge from his.

@KiwiKiller[QQ]
This only prooves how salty you are for some reason. I never said im the best player, i only said that im better player than you. I feel like my name is called out, so i had to respond.

U would rather build or play in wrong way, then take a good advice. And, you actually tryed posting here to proove me wrong, and there u go, u failed.

My last advice for you is - grow up man....

Cheers !

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:31 pm**

You know what @Vendeta ? I think the fact that i'm here, asking for some people to confirm/infirm this unit placement shows that i would not rather build wrong, as you say, but that I just want to improve my game. It also proves that i'm grown up, especially since I did take @Crazy_Skeleton feedback and I thanked him for it.

I didn't post this to prove you wrong, so I didn't fail, no.

I might look salty, but i was at this time, because your attitude pisses me off, just like a lot of other people. You might be a very good player, I don't deny it, but you are missing something, which is a good attitude.

Also, I will take "good advice" - as you said - anytime, but I was doubting of yours here because of your lack of good attitude, because you made fun of me and because you are close-minded. Btw, I stopped listenning at you here :

(26:53 / Allied) KiwiKiller[QQ]: priso tank very bad
(27:02 / Allied) Vendeta: not really

I will give you my last advice too :
Next time you want to give a good advice to someone, make it good by explaining how it's better this way, conceed when the other guy is right and tell him (nicely, not by laughing at him) when he is not.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:34 pm**

Mutant infront was the correct play here =)

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:37 pm**

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:49 am**

Mutant infront is the best play in most cases.
Reason?
Spread damage, if you put prisoners infront, the creeps will target only prisoners then mutants, in this case, Damage will in most cases spread beetween all units, and in many cases(depends on spawn), your prisoners would die first anyhow. Short way to explain it, mutants takes initial damage, prisoners run infront and take over, making ur units kill more creeps and also lives longer

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:30 am**

As u see Kiwi we do not agree on everything even in lihl. And sometimes u can not imagine how salty it is in games here

As I said, I did not see replay, but in general imo mutants behind any, even shitty tanks.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:43 am**

Ok now i have to leave a comment here too...

Krayyzie wrote:Spread damage, if you put prisoners infront, the creeps will target only prisoners then mutants, in this case, Damage will in most cases spread beetween all units, and in many cases(depends on spawn), your prisoners would die first anyhow. Short way to explain it, mutants takes initial damage, prisoners run infront and take over, making ur units kill more creeps and also lives longer

Thats totally right. You want to spread the damage. The perfect build would be if all your units die at the same second. Thats not possible in the most cases so you have to think about the importance of your units (dead value etc.). In this case mutants are most important value for sure but if you build prisos behind they still die first like you explained. So this situation is this is 100% right.

Crazy_Skeleton wrote:As u see Kiwi we do not agree on everything even in lihl. And sometimes u can not imagine how salty it is in games here
As I said, I did not see replay, but in general imo mutants behind any, even shitty tanks.

Thats not right!
The good placement player in lihl will agree here im sure(Diablo, Tin, Braveheart, Mick, Tom, Avada, ilocos, nore, magic and some more) And in this situation we have only 1 right way to build!
@crazy_skeleton why the Hell are mutants bad tanks??? Look at the cost/hp ratio. Here we see only a few units are worth to tank for mutants(polar, lod, tot....).

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:32 am**

I was specific i write in general, not specific situation since i did not see replay.
Nevertheless I would make tot or polar behind same reason as for goliath.
All in all it is almost never when we have many other towers while playing mutants, so mutants r mostly tanks for themselfs + maybe sometimes 1-2 hades, etc.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:50 am**

Why do you need mutants @magicpotatoes

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:53 pm**

For level 15 you would definitly make the mutants in front no questions asked, the tank/dmg ratio combined with the range for best split dmg is quite obvious here.
For lvl 17 its up to debate since that changes quite a bit, but not for 15.

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:39 pm**

DJ.FM wrote:Why do you need mutants @magicpotatoes

Mutant? never heard about that

Posted: **Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:04 pm**

Agree with Tom_Hardy there.

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