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I did the clog abuse thread the first day 1007 did it.Mick said its not a problem if it becomes we gonna do rules about it.Where are the rules?Where are the solutions? You let this become a major problem. Mass people complaining, mass people going inactive, be proud.

As long as no one finds a proper solution to prevent it not much can be done.
Other than that ... it's pretty rare already again? and most people who use it lose the game?

All i see is false promises and clog threads as well as google forms asking for solutions(not necessarily bad), while i was promised solutions and rules since day one.You intend on misinforming and misleading?If so you are doing a great job

1) It was Mick saying it.
2) Mick is no longer a mod, maybe he would have come up with suggestions.
3) I don't see it as a (big) problem as it rarely happens atm.
4) There also hasn't been any new post about clogging since 5 days.

As I said, if there's a good suggestion/solution we can talk about it, but until then .. nothing will happen.

ArMeDaNdDeAdLy wrote:All i see is false promises and clog threads as well as google forms asking for solutions(not necessarily bad), while i was promised solutions and rules since day one.You intend on misinforming and misleading?If so you are doing a great job

Your aggression is not appropriate.

Clog is obviously an issue and we have tried to solve it in the past years. At the moment, the Management is having a survey for everyone and we will make a decision for all once the deadline is over.

Until, then, you should wait and let ENT's current rules be enforced.

aRt)Y wrote:

ArMeDaNdDeAdLy wrote:All i see is false promises and clog threads as well as google forms asking for solutions(not necessarily bad), while i was promised solutions and rules since day one.You intend on misinforming and misleading?If so you are doing a great job

Your aggression is not appropriate.

Clog is obviously an issue and we have tried to solve it in the past years. At the moment, the Management is having a survey for everyone and we will make a decision for all once the deadline is over.

Until, then, you should wait and let ENT's current rules be enforced.

Hello @aRt)Y, not like i pretend to evaluate how things are done here, but i really think that we should not cover Lihl and Pub with the same survey done. If there is something that will affect lihl we should decide it here internally and not based on a survey filled by pub players mostly (just my point of view). Here rules and strats are way more different than pub and i dont think this is the way to solve the clog issue in lihl (if there is any issue, wich i think there is not really). In any case, please keep in mind what im saying, because this decission will affect the gameplay a lot here...

My 2 cents

LIHL cant decide shit for itself.

You had the time and you still have it but apparently the league moderation thinks there's no point to it.

All I am saying is, we have a schedule and we will decide what to do once it's time.

LIHL has allways in my time within it, been different/seperated from pub, both in game plays, moderation, and rules.

So i must agree that tk ace has some kind of point here my dear friend art)y.

i do fully agree that lihl is also covered by general rules of ENT, but that has allways been UNLESS we have written rules saying differently about the same matters.

"LIHL cant decide shit for itself."

btw. Your aggression is not appropriate either.

Dong-

I also agree of course.

I'm interested in what Ent will decide based on the clog topic but I don't see why LIHL would have to follow that decision. If we don't think it fits to LIHL / is not good for it then we obviously should have the option to use different rules, as has always been the case.

Well Diablos point is proven, "this is not a big problem", same as delaying and clogging 15 "hasnt been a big problem", yet the biggers abusers of max delay and clog ends up in top of lihl league pretty much every season. Why is it so hard to actually try one of the possible solutions that has been given by the players of the league? I gave several possible solutions in an earlier thread here, and Im sure other players wrote other kind of solutions?

Clog has been a big issue for very long, and then out of nowhere this "do not sell more than 200 gold and dont save more than 200 gold" rule appear? How did this rule even get there? It doesnt do Any difference, the biggest delay and clogs are made when people are using all their gold building crap to leak as slow as possible and as many units as possible?

I remember when I was mod and wanted to get something done, several times I was told, get the other mods to agree to do it and you can change it, once I got the other mods to agree, you swapped several mods and the new mods that werent there during the big problems didnt agree and nothing happened. For some reason I was removed, most likely because I was one of the mods that actually wanted to get rid of abuses and such(did not even get a message why). No idea why all those kind of abuses are still allowed to get big advantages in an inhouse league.

I know this is not a good time as there is only 1 moderator, which has even said he doesnt have alot of time for this right now, but isnt it time to try to fix those kind of long time issues like clog?

"... yet the biggers abusers of max delay and clog ends up in top of lihl league pretty much every season"
That's not really true and also unfair towards some/several of the previous and current top players.

"Why is it so hard to actually try one of the possible solutions that has been given by the players of the league? I gave several possible solutions in an earlier thread here, and Im sure other players wrote other kind of solutions?"
Simply put ... they have been bad (no offence). All solutions I've read so far would either be ineffective and still allow clogging one way or another or have a big impact on the overall gameplay and usually would result in stupid stuff and less fun. On top of that many would be hard to follow and/or to detect (by the other team).

"For some reason I was removed, most likely because I was one of the mods that actually wanted to get rid of abuses and such(did not even get a message why)."
Sorry to hear you never got a message about it, as far as I remember you were removed because of inactivity.

Not true? Feel free to privately send a message to random lihl players and ask them which 3 players they think are using the 15 clog the most, Almost everyone will name atleast 2 of the top players last 2 seasons, and its been looking like that for quite some time now, this is simple a fact, and in no way unfair said(I did not say All top players).

So, making a rule that makes no change what so ever to clog is more effective? How did this "dont save more than 200 gold and dont sell more than 200 gold" make any kind of difference? And by testing out some possible ways or suggestions to remove clog, you could simply have a tryout time with those kind of rules, and if doesnt work out well, the rules will be changed back. The current gameplay are, and have been for several seasons, to plan for clog 15 since early levels. A change of that(where a clog glitch decide a big part of games) can not be negative because it changes the overall gameplay?

Could you explain in which way the gameplay would be stupid and less fun by creating some rules against clog, in comparison to gain advantage early game by leaking 80 units on purpose or by planning to leak as many units as possible as a team during level 15 for almost an entire game? If this is not considered more stupid than other plays then I wont even continue discussing it here. By saying this, once again you are actually defending clog.


Okay, seems pretty correct as I was inactive when I was removed, but yeah, would be good to get a message about it, even more since most of the mods at that time were told I would be inactive for a while due to moving and did not have internet connection at my new place for some time. But once again thanks for telling me now.