ENT Gaming

MathewDK = drahque maybe

in pub room vs 2 merc (4:3 game)

i dont understand he's behavior (dont teamplay and make 7/13 lumber, 3405 value at 17 and not double build, it's big risk)

of course, his actions does not violate the rules

however, I play ​​a game with a greater risk

if 2 merc is pro, it was able to defeat

Because I am beginner so would not understand his actions?

he made ​​a play to enjoy by himself, not respect teammate

check replay and suggestion plz thx for reading

Please, feel free to check the replay, and you'll notice how OverPowered that Goblin Blasters infact are. I managed pretty much every level with extremely low values, such as lvl 17 with 3400 vs. 4500 and lvl 18 with 3700 vs. 5000 or something like that. Also, if this game had gone 20+, I would've won it for us with extremely high values, I could've reached 25k+ value on 31 in this game. ^^,

Anyways, to the point of this report. First of all, it's in the wrong section. Second of all, I did NOT violate any rules, and I did in fact even make my team aware that I was trying an unconventional Blaster build at the beginning. On top of that, the bots were down, which I think we even talked about in the lobby - that the game most likely wasn't gonna count.

By the way, think of at this way, if we weren't allowed to test out new builds in public? Then how are we supposed to improve / learn new ways to play? Isn't it better to make mistakes in public, than in Lihl? (: Also, the build did IN FACT work out, I managed to be 100 income at lvl 10 with BLASTERS, and freaking 7/13 level 14 and 7/15 lvl 16 or so. Which is according to HighestIncome's guide, which have been said to be impossible:
- http://legiontd.in-goo.com/t429-legion- ... ical-guide

[spoiler=His Blasters Build]level 1: 1Alchemist/2 wisps
level 2: 2Alchmeists/2 wisps
level 3: 2Alchemists/4 wisps
level 4: 1Alcemist 1 Goblin Blaster/4 wisps
level 5: 2Goblin Blasters/4 wisps
level 6: 2Goblin Blasters/6 wisps 1 lumberjack
level 7: 2Goblin Blasters, 1Alchemist/6 wisps 2 Lumberjack Upgrades
level 8: 3Goblin Blasters/ 6/2[/spoiler]
[spoiler=My previous post]

Drahque wrote:This guy "HighestIncome" seem crazy, you should check out his guide, he make it sound like he can reach 7/15 level 15/16 nearly every game: http://legiontd.in-goo.com/t429-legion- ... ical-guide

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First  of all, as you probably know, your current or final income doesn't depend only on you, which basicly means that i can't give you numbers that will tell you 'hey if u have 80 income on level 10, you are good'... so you are not trying to
reach specific numbers, you are fighting against other players, which means that if u have 50 income on level 15, and all
other players have 25, you did it well (of course 50 income on level 15 is hard fail, but it was an example, so you can understand
what i wanted to say). If you think that you are good einough and that you don't need income guide, i will give you numbers
(so you don't read all text) that i personally think good incomer should be able to achieve:


level 5: 25-35 incomes
level 10: 110-120 incomes
level 12: 180-200 incomes
level 17: 380-420 incomes
level 21: 700-750 incomes

Of course, it's always good to do better than this, but again it depends on many variables, as leakers or no, towers that you
have, and so on...

So what you actually need to have good income? The most important thing is to know all towers and their abilities. Of course,
there are good and 'bad' towers but your challenge is to do the best with what you have. It is obvious that you can't
income the same if you have, for example Goblin blasters or Apparitions as tier 5. Anyways, to make the complexity of this
easier for understanding, i will split game into 3 stages, and some substages. So lets start:


FIRST STAGE, EARLY GAME:

Early game is really important stage of the game, and specific, because u get a lot more gold than you actually need.
(for example you get 125 gold from level 1, and you only need 50 to reach recommended value for level 2, if you had 300 on level 1).
So what you do with all that gold? Of course, build workers and upgrade lumberjack!

First substage, levels 1-4:

This substage is important, in order to give you momentum that you need to income well in early stage of the game. By level 5
you should have 25-35 income, which is basically free worker every next wave. In order to have 25-35 incomes on level 5, you need
to build workers early on, even on level 1. So when game starts, you should immediately start building 1 worker, and then
try to beat level 1 with 250 or less value, which you can do with many many towers and combinations. Later on, on levels 2-3 you
should make 4/0 or 4/1 and if you reach that 4/1 or even 5/1 you are doing good. (if you leak few units during this, its not
a problem, it will pay off).

Secound substage, lvl 4-9:

In this stage you should start thinking about boss fight, and MID game itself, so again important substage for momentum in
MID game. In this part, you should max your worker count, which means that you should be able to build 7 wisps. Between
that, you should upgrade your lumberjack. On level 9 7/3 or 7/4 upgrade is good, but of course, you can do more. Your income should be
reaching 100 or in between 80-100 in this stage.

Third substage, levels 9-11:

As you probably know, this is the best time for upgrading lumberjack, because level 11 is kinda fail level. You can easily beat
level 11 with 1400-1500 value. In between levels 10 and 11 (including arena fight) your lumberjack should be like 7/6-7/8,
depending on what towers you have to start mid game battle. Your income on level 11 should be like 130-170 if you did it
well.


SPECIAL NOTES ABOUT EARLY GAME:

In order to reach income scores that i indicate, you will have to leak certain levels, including boss levels. Its not a
problem to leak even all 3 bosses, in order to have good income, it will pay off. You just should be careful and upgrade
your king, if your mates can't catch your leak.


SECOND STAGE, MID GAME:

Of course, most important stage of incoming, because what you do in mid game, will determen your value in lategame, and
probably game itself. In this stage you should finish your lumberjack upgrades. (7/15)

First substage, levels 11-14:

Because levels 11, 12 and 13 are specific, you should abuse that, in order to income. For example heavy tanks with normal
damage, beats level 12 easily, and some good pierce slashes level 13 easily. It is good to reach 7/9 before level 14, but if
you think that will make you leak full level 14, don't do that and stay on 7/8. Level 14, is hard, imbalanced so you should build
something for that specific level. (again, its not problem to leak 10-15 Tuskarrs if your king is maxed, it will pay off).

Secound substage, lvl 14-17:

Funny einough, but true, most important substage of the most important stage, is this one, between levels 14-17. This period is specific
and important, because you should finish your lumberjack upgrades in between. After level 14, never build towers for level 15,
because what beats level 14, beats 15 too. At this stage you should be near 300 income (level 15) and from gold+income from levels 14
,15 and 16 you should be able to finish 7/15.

[/spoiler]

As you can see, I had a valid reason to test this out. It did work out, and on top of that, you're lying when you say I didn't duo build. I did in fact build on Purple. (:


P.S. the META have already changed 3 times withing the last year, and before we know it, it might even change again. There' so many other viable ways to play, such as cross building and pushing income like HI is doing. And to end this, I'll quote a wise moderator:

Bit wrote:I don't think people should stick to meta every game, that's just boring.

"It is obvious that you can't income the same if you have, for example Goblin blasters or Apparitions as tier 5"
I guess everybody need to test sometimes to improve - however it can be frustrating to watch a player performing bad when you know that he he should know better

Iznogood wrote:"It is obvious that you can't income the same if you have, for example Goblin blasters or Apparitions as tier 5"

What's that supposed to mean? I mean, what's the context of that in this situation / Why are you saying this? And who are you quoting? ^^,

I'm qouting it from the guide you posted

level 1: 1Alchemist/2 wisps
level 2: 2Alchmeists/2 wisps

level 1: 180/100
level 2: 360/100

The facts
Starting cash 300
level 1 creeps 108
level 1 bonus 11
I guess this retard expects to make 41 income at level1 to make this guide work.. funny to see people trying to use it

Iznogood wrote:I'm qouting it from the guide you posted

But why quote it? What's your intention by doing so?

Also, who are you referring to, when you say following:

Iznogood wrote:however it can be frustrating to watch a player performing bad when you know that he he should know better

Well there's a reason why drahque is bot 5 in lihl. Not much more to it.

Drahque wrote:But why quote it? What's your intention by doing so?

I just think it's funny you're posting a noob guide to explain your story - but the guide actually says:
"It is obvious that you can't income the same if you have, for example Goblin blasters or Apparitions as tier 5"

Drahque wrote:Also, who are you referring to, when you say following:

Iznogood wrote:however it can be frustrating to watch a player performing bad when you know that he he should know better

Santa Claus obviously

Aye, and what's wrong with the guide saying that? I don't understand why you're mentioning that. ^^,

Please stop the irony/sarcasm, and be more direct/clear/specific. Because otherwise I'm having a hard time understanding what is it, you're trying to tell me. (;

The guide clearly only can work when there are no saves. It's not intended for a game with saves.

Iznogood wrote:I'm qouting it from the guide you posted

level 1: 1Alchemist/2 wisps
level 2: 2Alchmeists/2 wisps

The facts
Starting cash 300
level 1 creeps 108
level 1 bonus 11

Since when did I pray the guide as being perfect? I only said i tested his build, which is very similar to the one most people use, except that he decides to only have 2 blasters and 1 alchemist on lvl 7, and to risk leaking a boss or two on level 10, in order to push income harder. If you check out the replay, you'd see it did actually work out better than the standard methode.

And by the way, you're miss-reading the guide. It's not saying to BUILD 2 wisps, but to HAVE 2 wisps on level 2. Which is indeed possible, since you START with 1 wisp and at level 1 make the first wisp. Also, if you're saying it's not possible, then check the replay and you'll see that I actually managed to push income even harder than he did. Let me do the math for you:

Level 1: 300 gold - Spend on 1 goblin alchemist and a wisp (180+50 = 230 gold, meaning 70 gold left)
Level 2: 419 gold - Spend on 2 goblin alchemist and a wisp (180+180+50 = 410 gold, meaning 9 gold left)

Iznogood wrote:I guess this retard expects to make 41 income at level 1 to make this guide work.. funny to see people trying to use it

Since when do we call people retards? Why so offensive? What have this "HighestIncome" guy done to you, to call him a retard? Where's the respect? Just beacuse he wrote a book/guide about LTD with his methodes of playing the game, it doesn't make him a retard. I'm quite sure he understand the game mechanics better than most players in Lihl, except from the part, that his META is different. We should respect a player, just because he decides to play the game on his own way, it doesn't make him a bad player. As you can see on his end results, he often manages to end up with crazy values of 25k+, which could indeed hold 3 peoples leaks on lvl 28, saving his team and ending up in a win on lvl 31. Everything is situational, there's not ONE perfect methode that applies to every game.

supersexyy wrote:The guide clearly only can work when there are no saves. It's not intended for a game with saves.

Did anyone ever say it works if 4 people follows it vs. 4 people playing Lihl-meta? No. So there's no reason to tell me, that it doesn't work against a saving team, cause I already know that.

Also, it's wrong to say, that it only works without anyone saving, because it could indeed work, as long as the whole team doesn't do it. All it requires, is that a person or two on the team overbuilds, and gets fed by a couple of leaks once in a while, meanwhile the leaker gets fed by his income.

One interesting part of this, is that instead of 4 players trying to be average-strong during all parts of the game, it would variate the team, to have some that's strong early game, some that's strong mid game and some that's strong early game. For example, if a person is only 7/2 after first arena, there's a high chance he won't be able to hold hard-sendings 20+ as well as a person who's 7/7 after arena. This is a matter of fact, that early income determines endgame. So, by having 1 incomer on the team, that peron's your safe-card in lategame, to survive lvl 27 and 28 sendings. Since, at this point, he's easily 15-20k value and could even be the key to winning lvl 31. But again, this requires that the other teammates are able to hold the leaks. P.S. this is just a thought, not saying it would ever work.

supersexyy wrote:Well there's a reason why drahque is bot 5 in lihl. Not much more to it.

I find this kind of offensive, and extremely personal, to go this far as concluding that just because I'm testing a build, that it makes me a bad player. Why was this comment needed in this topic? Did I ever ask you to comment on my position in the league or ask for your thought of why it is that I'm there?

first, my english is bad please understand xD

sometimes the test is to help improve the skills

at least, you should need teammate's agreement

but u don't said about test

you are so selfish, not respect teammate

it's why you sometimes make trouble

you are a good LTD player i hope your thoughtful attitude thx for reading

Gouus wrote:at least, you should need teammate's agreement

but u don't said about test

you are a good LTD player i hope your thoughtful attitude thx for reading

I was quite confident that I had made it clear, by saying 2-3 times before lvl 10, that I was trying an 'unconventional' build (testing a new way to play Blasters). I said this already at level 4, but I'm sorry that I didn't ask if it was okay with you. So another time, I'll make it more clear and make sure you're okay with it. (:

And thanks for understanding, that there's an idea in testing out new things. Before we know it, people might even start duo' building at level 1 instead of first starting at level 12 or 14. Since, by raping one side first, a lot more towers survive, and you're able to hold much more. I mean, if the concept of duo building works for lvl 20, why shouldn't it also work on lvl 10? ^^,

Drahque wrote: Before we know it, people might even start duo' building at level 1 instead of first starting at level 12 or 14.

Well the tourney winners did this with great success in hybrid mode.. worked great with warriors lvl 1 - But you can easily lose games by double building too early if theres heavy delay