Poll about "as" "db" and "cross"

[ILOCOS_NORTE]

Since the first poll about cross build was rather a farce, I introduce now the poll 2.0

I heared from many people that they do dislike cross build, but still voted for "no ban" because "it's stupid to ban one strategy and leave another comparable strategy untouched".

So this poll is about:

1.) Ban cross and double build:
You're not allowed to build on your partners lane at any time. Also aura share is forbidden.

2.) Ban anti-stuck:
You're not allowed to use the anti stuck function at any time, except to anti stuck stuck creeps. If you see stuck units at any region on the map, you have to use anti stuck on them instantly.

3.) Mid build is allowed under certain circumstances:
You may build in the mid region alone or with your teammate, if you accept the +2 armor handicap. So the first contact between your (ranged or melee) towers must be inside the dark green area every level. You have to start and end a game in the same region, so build either on the light green area or on the dark green area. Mid is declared as the dark green area.
-If you build alone in the middle, your teammate is not allowed to touch your creeps outside the king area at any time. He shall make sure to keep enough distance to the middle region.
-If you build together in the middle, none of you is allowed to delay his lane. You have to face both waves simultaneosly.

Those changes would make the 3s or 4s games just like the 2s games. Everyone is on their own!

[Diablo_]

That sure is a tough choice now. I'll probably vote for yes, but not 100% sure yet! It would definitely change a lot, tho I like 2vs2 games the most and hate double building and to some extent also the use of antistuck, so I should favor this change.

[Gouus]

i vote no cant cross, cant double build.. also aura share is forbidden and option 3 content (Mid build is allowed under certain circumstances)

exist too many restrictive rules

I think less rules and more fun.

he said in another article i agree 100% need the basic rule for enjoy game and does not harm others

[nygaard]

I think this idea is perfect, couse right now 2v2games are more fun than 4v4. I support this change.

Nygaard.

[BA_Fail]

Although I don't support all these changes, I voted that I do. The part of no double building works for me, BUT I think aura sharing should be allowed, even if the other person has to build a similar cost unit to even out the cost. Either way, double building although useful makes it easier for people that do bad have a chance to win, makes games last longer, nullifies the influence of how long people save, and also lowers the amount of skill needed.

If this does go through, there should also be a way for people to vote whether they want to be able to double build in the games they play. It has been a part of the lihl since the beginning and it will be missed

[supersexyy]

By the way these changes probably shouldn't be implemented this season - if indeed the vote is successful. This is quite a big change and I'd like to see what counters/new strats the game develops before we hard counter it with rules. And for the record I haven't voted, I'm indifferent.

[willie64]

I voted no, simply because the game will turn into a "how long did you save for" festival. Welcome back to lvl 14/17/20 game ends.

[Marlboro_]

I do not believe that these restrictions will be a breakthrough for lihl. What I have seen in games lihl is a huge imbalance between the teams because of luck that the builder generates profhet. 2s a game in which a player starts with archer will hardly lose. If we make any changes to lihl games, which should be changed is the builder before anything.

[bit]

Big YES from me.

Welcome back to lvl 14/17/20 game ends.

How's that worse than every game lasting to level 31+? :)

[HateLose]

I voted NO!

What's up with all the changes and rule implementations you guys are trying to make. Granted I've been away for a bit, all these changes/rules are making me question if I even want to join lihl next season. Just because people are thinking of new tactics/strategies you can't go and ban them. What's going to happen in the next ltd tournament? If these rules get passed, the play style will be different from the norm because you guys are making so many changes in ltd, for lihl, compared to the pub games. I'm pretty sure the tournament will be pub rules and not lihl rules (I might be wrong).

If we make any changes to lihl games, which should be changed is the builder before anything.

I'm up for this rule rather than changing the current rules. We can do modes of hpgm - hybrid or sdgmcb.

I voted no, simply because the game will turn into a "how long did you save for" festival. Welcome back to lvl 14/17/20 game ends.

Most likely it will be just this

I think less rules and more fun

^^ gotta agree here.


Bottom line....imo......LIHL was made so we can play vs good players without having any leavers and also, the ONLY RULE, no merc switching (to have good games). In the beginning before the season even started (in the HR bots, yes we used to play HR a lot) it was just that. Now people constantly want changes and rule implementations to the game. You are not only ruining the fun, but you're changing the meta of the game as well. might have well have no lumber saving going along with all these rules.

Edit:

Welcome back to lvl 14/17/20 game ends.

How's that worse than every game lasting to level 31+?

If you want fast games, might as well play pub games with stacked teams.

[bit]

How's that worse than every game lasting to level 31+? :)

If you want fast games, might as well play pub games with stacked teams.

Makes no sense. I can say too, that you should go play beta version, even in pub there's always 20+ lvl games (without stacking)

Edit: Abusing all things in "yes" vote is definately a great meta to play. If we're speaking of roots, then look at how the map is intended to be played, and why there's armor/gold penalty and for what antistuck skill is.

[Drahque]

I was wondering, can't we just Ban anti-stuck to catch leaks? This is after all the most frequent games are ruined, especially when there is a lot of delay. It often end up in: "Which team is best at predicting their delay to catch leaks, in order to lose least gold?". Especially duo build.

This would make building on a teammate more risky and force us to balance more, by building both sides. What do you guys think? Would this solve the main inbalance/problem? Also by doing this, we're still able to share auras etc.

[supersexyy]

Did that ages ago and was quite an even poll.
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=9367

[Drahque]

Did that ages ago and was quite an even poll.
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=9367

Ah okay thx, hadn't seen that poll.

Guess in this case it's impossible to make rules that everybody likes, which means its best to not make any rules at all and leave all strategy open then - at least that's what make most people happy. (:

Edit: It's also a good thing that 1s, 2s, 3s and 4s aren't all the same. This cause more variety and strategy. Also everyone have the option to sign up for the ones they prefer. Such as if you don't like the power duo building brings and 31+ games with 'who pushed earliest income completion' they can just stick to 2s and if they like something between these two, they can stick to 3s. It's just like the democratic system, where you can be left and right. In this case I'm for example most into 2's+3's, and others might be more into 3's+4's, so why make a rule that makes every type to be like 2s? This would just ruin it for the ones who prefer 4s over 2s. Hope you can follow what I mean - The more variety, the more happy people. ^^,

[Gouus]

tbh most of the normal game(not double build) is end before 20lv

merc make monotonous game and ruined ltd system.. it is the reason been banned

but double build make variety of games and a variable.... more fun!

i think double build is good tactics.. dont ruined system and never op, also this is not illegal (until now, of course ), does not harm to others

i dont know what will happen the results of the vote... wanna keeping current rules for variety

rules that limit the movement is make monotonous game

despite the bad English, thank for reading