Suggestion AS on vouch requests to be forbidden

[ArMeDaNdDeAdLy]

I had a conversation with hutzu and came to my knowledge that anti stuck is allowed in vouch request replays. I wish that to change because inside lihl there shouldnt be any anti stuck and whats good in a replay where someone anti stucks to get his teamates leaks?.Please share your opinion and vote

[Hutzu]

Great, I accidently voted for yes, as I read "should ..... be not allowed". Do -1 at yes and +1 at no.
I'm also against its usage on vouch-replays.

[Diablo_]

As Hutzu knows I see no reason to "forbid" Antistuck on vouch request replays. What's the point? It doesn't influence our ability to check their skill (unlike cross or double build) and it is allowed there. To some degree it also shows that they use their head and pay attention to the game and try to play as good as possible. It will just disturb the ease of vouch requests, both for the applicant and for the mods/reviewers.

[MarshMallows]

Should be allowed ofc, they are showing how well they can play in that one game, if rules allow it then ofc it shouldn't be a problem

[elektro]

Well they can use as as much as they want in pub, i assume they have to obbey our rules once they enter in lihl. any mod can see the skill of 1 player independent of their as or not.

[Hutzu]

I understand the argument for those, who are for the usage of AS.
For me it distorts it a little bit, as someone can get really fed and yolo harder than usual.
Of course you could say "Just look what he does with his gold, no matter where he got it from."
I understand that too. Just a clear preference for me. It's like asking me whether I prefer a steak or spaghetti.

[Diablo_]

Btw, you can change your vote now.

[MichaelSong]

I have same opinion with Diablo_
I do respect players who are not using antistuck, because I barely use AS on even on Pub games when they're allowed to do so.
However, since applicants are not entered LIHL yet, and it's not even against the rules on ENT, I would not give say it should be forbiden.

Edit: However, should consider about the results of this poll in future.

[aRt)Y]

I doubt Armed wanted to touch any of the official pub or lihl rules. His suggestion probably goes in the direction of a guideline to evaluate lihl replays differently; and I do understand that.

You are supposed to show your skills and part of that should be not using nooby tactics, e.g. using AS to take leaks or whatever.
Players who apply to be vouched should already be near/on the level of lihl.

While making it an official rule will probably be not possible due to different jurisdictions, having it as a lihl vouch-applying criteria wouldnt hurt.

[MarshMallows]

I reckon even if you did make it a rule for applying some people would just forget and you'd get replays with anti sticking in them, what are you going to do if you see a really good replay with an anti stick half way through? just completely discount it? Doesn't seem reasonable to me. also what if someones team mate anti sticks them and it ruins a really good replay they did.

[ArMeDaNdDeAdLy]

I doubt Armed wanted to touch any of the official pub or lihl rules. His suggestion probably goes in the direction of a guideline to evaluate lihl replays differently; and I do understand that.

You are supposed to show your skills and part of that should be not using nooby tactics, e.g. using AS to take leaks or whatever.
Players who apply to be vouched should already be near/on the level of lihl.

While making it an official rule will probably be not possible due to different jurisdictions, having it as a lihl vouch-applying criteria wouldnt hurt.

I simply made a suggestion and wanted to see the communitys reaction to it since i didnt knew and i guess many others didnt as well. @Art)y covers me for the rest.

[aRt)Y]

@MarshMallows As I've stressed in my post, the keyword is "evaluation". And if players can't read/follow simple criteria, then they are wrong in lihl which has an entire guide, rules and other procedures they've to follow? It's just another factors the community/mods should take into consideration - but in an official and formal way.

[MarshMallows]

People don't follow the criteria all the time, bans arent that uncommon in lihl as a result of breaking rules and deviating from what is accepted. I just don't think people asing in their replays is a big deal.

[supersexyy]

Agree with diablo

[aRt)Y]

It will just disturb the ease of vouch requests, both for the applicant and for the mods/reviewers.

That sounds I. very dramatically and is II. the wrong approach. If you need more men-power to consider AS into an evaluation for vouch requests, let me know. This is by no means a rule, so let them use it as much as they want; but it might prove their willingness to adapt to lihl standards.