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A topic concerning all of LIHL shouldn't be handled via PM imo, @art)y

"The cases archive, just like the processed ban request section, is there to document cases and a user's history and to promote transparency." - this is why we have ban reports and dcs kept but not other materials. I guess transparency doesn't matter unless it has to do with moderators decisions?

a. Important replays and play suggestions are important to LIHL
b. In the forum players discuss LIHL in the interest of lihl. These discussions, regardless of result, are in the interest of LIHL.

Your argument is: ""History" doesnt mean anything and is no reason for not changing something."
This is obviously a double negative... yet you are using it to justify action?

Keeping all the topics everyone already had organized isn't a suggestion, rather telling you to stop with this deleting action. If you want to organize the archive, and make a "QQ/Drama" folder, people won't mind. Deleting the archive is just not a good addition.

What's the harm with keeping the archive? All what removing it does is making LIHL ('s forum) (slightly) worse. The archive made the forum clearer, stopped thread necroing, made it easier to find a past thread (as you could somewhat know how old the thread was) and contained some memories for many players.
Having 50% of LIHL's posts vanished is sad, even if 95% of these are "useless" for the present.

There often were cases where we refered to past discussions about rules, suggestions and such and I definitely often browsed through the archive, especially when I was a mod.

I totally agree with diablo_.

Diablo_ wrote:What's the harm with keeping the archive? All what removing it does is making LIHL ('s forum) (slightly) worse. The archive made the forum clearer, stopped thread necroing, made it easier to find a past thread (as you could somewhat know how old the thread was) and contained some memories for many players.
Having 50% of LIHL's posts vanished is sad, even if 95% of these are "useless" for the present.

There often were cases where we refered to past discussions about rules, suggestions and such and I definitely often browsed through the archive, especially when I was a mod.

I think they want to stop mods from controlling topics too heavy-handed? I just think it's excessive to remove the archive. There are much easier ways to address this issue then just delete every topic not currently active.

"just delete every topic not currently active." & "having 50% of LIHL's posts vanished is sad, even if 95% of these are "useless" for the present.
That was never the intention and goal. It is what the moderator did who actually overruled me and simply did what he wanted.

Topics are supposed to stay in LIHL as they are all subject to discussion. If a topic is old, people will stop commenting on it. If people necro, they are trolls and FMs will deal with them. Deleting topics or posts which don't violate the forum rules are not to be deleted.
It works for ID (which doesn't have any mods, by the way), DotA and everything else. Which is why I can't believe it couldn't work for LIHL; it takes some discipline though but that goes off-topic.

The argument that it was somewhat easier to find topics in the archive rather than in the same forum with all other topics seems like a cognitive illusion to me.

Furthermore, I did not want to discuss it via pm but merely hear arguments which I take into consideration. That said, it's a trial like with everything else. Just wait a bit and stop beating a dead horse. Thank you. This is also the last post of mine regarding the matter.

It seems like a pointless trial? These arguments are all rather one-sided. We can try replacing the 3.41 map with a 3.5 beta, but it's going to annoy members even more then deleting 90% of LIHL's posts (I don't think it was 50%). I don't think a single member of LIHL considers this remotely positive.

aRt)Y wrote:Furthermore, I did not want to discuss it via pm but merely hear arguments which I take into consideration.

I believe our consideration is rather more important on the matter. LIHL governs LIHL. Reds administrate ENT and ENT's rules within LIHL, LIHL members/admins handle LIHL.

you forget the derelict of duty.... there is a chain of command. lihl abides to the greens (forum) and reds (everything else) on the forum. not the other way around. They don't need your specific permission to do what they think and trial what they want

matdas wrote:you forget the derelict of duty.... there is a chain of command. lihl abides to the greens (forum) and reds (everything else) on the forum. not the other way around. They don't need your specific permission to do what they think and trial what they want

LIHL's permission. As we are the players. If we don't permit it, and just leave (after enough "trials" of stupid maps, forum deletions, etc.), there won't be an LIHL player base. So of course they need our permission....

ps. do you know what derelict means?

eldryan wrote:

matdas wrote:you forget the derelict of duty.... there is a chain of command. lihl abides to the greens (forum) and reds (everything else) on the forum. not the other way around. They don't need your specific permission to do what they think and trial what they want

LIHL's permission. As we are the players. If we don't permit it, and just leave (after enough "trials" of stupid maps, forum deletions, etc.), there won't be an LIHL player base. So of course they need our permission....

ps. do you know what derelict means?

Wrong, the permissions that they have on the forum are gained from the reds.

yes, i do. the red admins came in because of it, and they deemed that the archive was no place since players cannot continue their "discussions" (more like drama and rage tbh) when someone moves it there. They did nothing to diffuse the conflicts, so the greens and reds are inside lihl now. now they will do what needs to be done on the forum. not even sure why this topic was even allowed to be open, since it was locked and you should be PM'ing art)y instead of making a pointless topic. But, you don't abide by authority. you are authority in your own right apparently....

aRt)Y wrote:As this went off-topic again without any real arguments supporting the actual need for an archive excepting calling things "stupid" - again- , I will have to lock the topic. Regarding what happens next, please refer to what greatbeyond said. If you have any logical arguments, please pm them to me.

This is going off-topic again, so i'm closing it - Any further info, do as suggested by art)y and pm him - Further spam topics regarding this matter will be deleted.

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