Rules clarification please

[Kreutertee]

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Since I got asked so nicely to re-read rules again after 1st game, need some clarification please.
-> Darkgreen area refers to only darkgreen or as defined in general rules (whole mid area/1 spot)?

nore(gnolls) and fisteur (mine in 10), good or no good?

Thanks

[archol]

As long you dont pull the other lane, you can put a Zeus there too - problematic is that this tower got the highest attack range, thus its very likely that it pulls the other side compared to other towers

[Kreutertee]

So 1,5-2 spots ok, although rules say 1, but half spot one-time pull not?

ok, thx

[archol]

Rule is 1 spot inside, but its similar to disconnect penalties - if it gets reported, it gets handled either with warning(s) and/or punishment(s).

The tolerance-limit of the community is quite high in those cases (most dont care and as i wrote above even report it), and each case will be handled differently by mods/admins

Regardless this will be my last posting/work as LIHL-mod/player, good luck to all players for the future and real life

[Kreutertee]

Now you got me really confused. "1 spot inside" ?

You are only allowed to build 1 tower space into the dark green area, no further.

That what you mean, right? Well, it was more than that 1 spot.

But as I understand now, the most important thing is to not pull by all means, however when not pulling, going above is ok?

[archol]

Now you got me really confused. "1 spot inside" ?

You are only allowed to build 1 tower space into the dark green area, no further.

That what you mean, right? Well, it was more than that 1 spot.

But as I understand now, the most important thing is to not pull by all means, however when not pulling, going above is ok?

Hopala tried to quote your posting and edited it by mistake - sorry for this

I meant tower spot of course, sorry for the misunderstanding - if someone is doing more than 1 tower spot(s) just remind him/her not to do it, and if he/she refuses then report it (probably wont come that far as most players will listen).

Going above is not according the rulebook, thus it will get punished if it gets reported (though not from me anymore as i will resign heh)

[Kreutertee]

See, that's the point exactly. "Remind someone to oblige"... at least say a word. That's what I expected here. Instead I got instant ban after first game... with no comment or word of advice at all.

As much fun as bashing the new one, apprentice or intern is... that's not what I expected tbh. Guess I'll have to get used to some double standards...

Thanks anyway for clarification.


Viel Spaß bei was auch immer du machst

[archol]

The reason for that is that each mod / admin handles cases differently, but according to the guidance (aka rulebook)

I would personally give you a warning in my case, as you are new in the league (and probably didnt do it in purpose) - though im sure you will remember this rule now, unfortunately in the hard way in the end.

Danke, ebenfalls!

[MarshMallows]

You got bad luck with how this was handled Kreutertee, should have been a warning since u didn't even go to the maximum of 1 space, was clearly an accidental pull. Also anything over 1 space no matter if pull or not, should be banned. those are the rules.

[Diablo_]

For proper clarification as there is quite some misleading information here:
- You must not build more than 1 tower space (= 2 "positioning" spaces) into the "darkgreen area" (beyond the line where it begins).
- You must not pull creeps of the opposite lane (means actual pulls are forbidden).
- You must not build towers in a way which would result in a pull if the opposite lane would leak (means hypothetical pulls are forbidden aswell).

If you build beyond the allowed area and pull you can totally expect a ban.
If you build high range towers (especially Zeus and Meliai) very far back and pull you can also totally expect a ban.
If you build too far back and do not pull you can expect a warning or a short ban.
If you build at a reasonable position yet you pull (unluckily) you can expect a warning or a short ban.

Building a Zeus half spot into the dark green area is not an accidental pull, this will pull basically on every wave if the timing is right.

[MarshMallows]

In the rules it should simply state where u can and cannot build certain units, defined by attack rage then. at the moment if seems you can build a spawn 2 spaces into dg area with short or no ban, but if u build legally with a high range unit it is a ban and definitely a ban if you pull

[SLSGuennter]

but if u build legally with a high range unit it is a ban and definitely a ban if you pull

No ... cause building 1 spot in dg is not legal. It ONLY is legal if you dont pull.

It is like driving a car in a city:
Driving 40 km/h (dragon spawn 1 spot in dg) is np, driving 70 km/h (zeus 1 spot in (u risk the pull/crash)) may result in a penalty, driving either 40 or 70 km/h and cause a crash will definetly result in a punishment.
Thing is, like in real live, you will only be punished if somebody reports you to the mods/police.

[Kreutertee]

Guennter, that's not entirly correct according to the rules.

As Diablo_ mentioned above, first rule is:

- You must not build more than 1 tower space (= 2 "positioning" spaces) into the "darkgreen area" (beyond the line where it begins).

So this explicitly allows building one spot into dg, unconditionally. As Marsh said, build "legally".

But second rule as explained:

- You must not pull creeps of the opposite lane (means actual pulls are forbidden).

You must not pull, again an unconditional rule. You cannot pull, no matter where or what you build, either in dg or not.

Anyway, it's up to people reporting you or not.

[dweiler]

Diablo_ pretty much summarized the rules. For some extra clarification:

We won't make a list of where you can build particular towers. This would just make things more confusing. I doubt people would want to learn a list of where to build what tower. Just don't build in the dark green even if it's just a gnoll or landmine, because it makes things a lot simpler. You all know the rule, so if you want to build gnolls behind, just build your other towers a bit further down the lane so that you can.

About allowing building 1 spot in dark green area. I am not a fan of this (again for reasons of simplicity of the rule), but it is there so: You are allowed to build towers 1 spot in dark-green, but it's at your own risk. If you pull while building there you will get a ban if reported (follow the link that comes with this rule).

About pulling in light-green area. It is still easy to abuse that. If you build a zeus at the furthest allowed you still have a high chance of pulling. So if we feel you took a too high risk by building a certain tower at such a spot and you pull you can still get a ban if reported. (This is mainly to prevent people building a Zeus/ea/specter/etc really high in the hope to get 'lucky' to get a pull)

[FadingSuns]

@mick about your last comment i wish to have further clarification in a case i had yesterday. I was a zeus holder for lvl 10 and i pulled 3 bowmans with a single zeus (it was in light green). This pull basically fked me because i lost a zeus for mid and just killed 3 bows. I never pulled anything else in whole game. I was told i was needed to sell the zeus because of that pull (that wad already negative for me). Should i sell the zeus in that situation even if the pull was negative and i was never going to pull again? (Was a pure bad luck pull and zeus was on light green area). Can i get a ban for that if im reported? Seems that i was fked with the pull, selling tower would even fk me more, and a additional ban would fk me more. I consider a bit unfair a ban for it since it didnt suppose an advantage at all...