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Team - Please briefly summarise your vote below

There has been much discussion on the existence of the !draw rule in the LIHL and I would like to give everyone the option of weighing in. Here are the possible rule changes that can be made, please vote so that your voice can be heard!

1. Don't change anything (i.e. - !draw before lvl 20 is compulsory, after 20 is optional - this may lead to the existence of PP)
2. Change the "!draw rule" to lvl 7 (i.e. - !draw is only compulsory when someone DC's before lvl 7 begins, after lvl 7 it is optional)
3. Remove the "!draw rule" completely (i.e. it is never compulsory to !draw any game, ever)
4. Punish DC'ers - Elo Penalty (i.e for example, have DC players lose -21 ELO and every other player in the game gain +3 ELO for their time. Note: This can still leave room for people to attempt a PP to save other players ELO!
5. Timeout (i.e. if you DC you will get a 24 hr auto ban)

Note: In any of these cases; if 6/7 players !draw the game, it is mandatory for the 7th player to !draw. We are looking for a MAJORITY vote of 6/7 not a UNANIMOUS vote of 7/7 (This is subject to change in the future but is not on the table for discussion in this post)

Thanks for voting! Your opinion does matter!

Just to validate my vote
I did vote on Remove the "!draw rule" completely

I've edited #5, also added 2 votes per user.
Please do not vote if you are not vouched.

I have voted for
#4 - ELO Punishment
#5 - Some sort of Ban

The !draw rule should stay but some penalty to DCers will need to be applied.

I do not think the draw rule should be changed, because without it the 3 players left on the team end up at a large disadvantage due to the disconnecter, at no fault of their own. I have no problem with an ELO punishment being instituted for the disconnecter though, but I do think a ban is a little harsh, unless they were to disconnect 10 games in a row or something.

I voted for #3 and #4.

If we can't eliminate the issues of PP with ELO punishment then I think that the !draw rule should be removed completely. Both of these options seem viable to me but I lean towards #4 as my primary opinion.

#1 & #4. Sometimes you can't control when someone disconnects or drops (especially if you don't have proxy). To take away !draw from these situations is ridiculous. Might as well vote for #4 to just penalize the disconnecter.

#4 and #5 since we have 2 votes, otherwise i´d stick with 4...

Wish I could do #1, but obviously isnt working atm...today 3/5 games disconnect...total probably 25/50 games ended with disconnects/teamkills/ and other kind of "possible" cheats, its sad but thats the way it seems to work... Something has to be done...

even though i can vote 2 times, i only voted for #4. imo, getting rule #4 implemented in lihl will help move lihl in a positive direction. we're trying to move forward and grow as a community, not backwards/staying put. staying put at #1 will only do the latter at best.

2think..

iightfyre wrote:1. Don't change anything (i.e. - !draw before lvl 20 is compulsory, after 20 is optional - this may lead to the existence of PP)

Needs something to be done or game ruiners will pull the plug to enforce draw saving their ELO when they are about to lose the game.

iightfyre wrote:2. Change the "!draw rule" to lvl 7 (i.e. - !draw is only compulsory when someone DC's before lvl 7 begins, after lvl 7 it is optional)

I don't know if this is a good option, if a team waste a heal before lvl 7 has a chance of someone get discs.

iightfyre wrote:3. Remove the "!draw rule" completely (i.e. it is never compulsory to !draw any game, ever)

!draw is a command, Where is the free will if you must to draw a game when someones discs.. it's a poor rule.

iightfyre wrote:4. Punish DC'ers - Elo Penalty (i.e for example, have DC players lose -21 ELO and every other player in the game gain +3 ELO for their time. Note: This can still leave room for people to attempt a PP to save other players ELO!

So if I'm leaking constantly due to my mistakes in game, then I'll PP, result my team will be happy with me and the another team will get mad cuz they had an oportunity to get more elo; but you know I changed that =)

iightfyre wrote:5. Timeout (i.e. if you DC you will get a 24 hr auto ban)

This one is very good however is really bad to innocent people.. anyway they will be able to play in others ENT bots.

Resuming.. the item 3 and item 5 are the best options imo. You can't please everyone.

i voted to: "Remove the "!draw rule" completely".

I agree with punish who dc, but i dont agree with the draw +3 for everyone. So i didnt voted to this.

i agree with raizen in that #4 is a good option if all the other players don't get +3 elo. is there a way for d/c players to recieve elo loss while the rest of the players stay at +-0 elo gain?

To clarify on the proposed + ELO to those who have !drawn the game.

The ELO in a game is a +/- system which makes every game worth 30 elo. When a player wins 15 elo, another player loses 15 elo. The only way for us to penalize a DC player by making them lose 21 ELO is to redistribute that ELO to other players. We cannot take ELO out of the system without replacing it. If we could punish players for DC's with a 21 ELO loss and not redistribute this ELO then, in theory, everyone (over enough time.. many many years I assume) could get to 0 ELO and there would be no ELO left in the LIHL system.

I hope this makes sense. In layman's terms "You cant remove ELO, you can only redistribute it"

3v4 in lihl league is like a sure loss unless you're stacked.
This is my suggestion it is required to have a mumble server not just suggested.
You can only have so many dc in a period of time or amount of games.
-If you happen to exceed the amount you will be banned or un-vouched!

i vote punish d/c. also only give other team +, no change for d/c team.

I voted punish DC'er with elo loss. I feel there are still many scenarios where a !draw is fair play and I dont think it should be removed.

Giving the DCer an elo loss will completely remove the option to plug.

I do understand those who want to remove draw, but I feel its still in the spirit of the league to show some kind of fairplay