Plug pulling

[Furbolg.]

Alright so after another day of mysterious DC's, Im gonna start posting replays

Read chat log, watch replay:

http://s2.entgaming.net/replay/view_rep ... 433147.w3g

I think thats as clear as a PP gets. Half afk, low value, leaking, etc etc

Well at least he saved my team. Lol

[cyberpunk]

I think thats as clear as a PP gets. Half afk, low value, leaking, etc etc

Well at least he saved my team. Lol

He is your hero and this is how you thank him! oO

[Furbolg.]

True But a few games later, one of the guys on the other team plugged in revenge to get back on even

[cyberpunk]

Unfortunately few ppl in the lihl thinks the draw rule is a reason to PP, just to enforce ppl to !draw. :3

[dweiler]

So true, Cyberpunk, and I wanna add this, just for the record.

IF this was a pp by pyc, this is not gonna change with the new elo-punishment rule. This rule doesn't work in 2 cases:

1. Like this replay, if someone (suddenly) has to leave during the game. (It seemed like pyc pp'ed because of problems with gf, IF he did) He will feel guilty for his team and take the (small) extra ELO punishment for granted. So imagine you are the enemy, have played for 40 minutes and get such a disc.. ANNOYING

2. If someone plays very badly because of bad towers or poor choices. Out of guilt he may pp.

(3. If people decide to pp in turns so that both in the end will get 1 loss less)

I know the other option has won by now, this is just so that people know that pp will still happen.

[ygg-lag]

If he has problems with his girlfriend, its NOT other players fault.

When a i started on the league, hardly someone dc, and now every 3 games we have 1 dc, what do u guys think is happening?

That game in the moment that we draw, my team was so close to win and having 0 chances of losing and Pyc dc (its strange that i never seen a dc when the team is winning)

It was the clrearest dc i ever seen (even in pubs).

i see some players dicussing ban unskilled players based in their elos, but this type dc fuck any attempts of rate player skills by elo (even with penalties only for who dc)

[iightfyre]

I watched the replay and got opinions from other mods and we agree that this is not a clear pp. It may still be a pp, but the evidence and the judgement of the mods has deemed that there was no proof of an intentional pp. Unfortunately we can not see gproxy or lag time or pings in the replay so a lot of it is hard to decipher.

What I did see was a complaint about "gf issues" at 16 min into the game. The DC did not happen until 30 min in and only 1 comment was made about possible gf issues.

PYC continued to play and looked like normal game play. There was no evidence of him being afk at any round. He did not miss any builds or fail to read the chat log. The only thing that I noticed close to the DC was murkemhanks commenting that pyc had too much lumber not upping king. However, PYC did heal in turn.

I simply can't see justification in this replay to constitute any further action. Thanks for your post, as always. We take all issues seriously.

PS - The ELO penalty for DC'ers will be going into effect soon. uakf.b is on it.

[Raizen]

Many times the players are unfair and try to PP do get some advantage.
BUT many other times is a real dc.

[dweiler]

@iight, I am sorry to keep on going on this subject, but I have a real question, because the answer you gave is maybe one of the main reasons I have always been against this rule.

In this case, I think pp is as clear as it gets: he has rl issues, his team is losing, and it is an instant disconnect (as far as I can see); all the ingredients for a pp. Yet, still, there is no way to prove it (and rightly so, because maybe he did not pp).

Then what DOES it take to prove a pp? And, yes, again, doesn't it lead to way less discussion, arguments and drama to avoid having to judge about this (the judgement which is nearly impossible)? I am sure this discussion will keep flaring up every once in a while. In discussions before I think I have asked as many as five times how the admins are going to enforce this rule, and I never got a clear answer. I think this case shows that it is almost impossible to prove pp (especially when one does it only when one has to leave, which might be 1 out of 50 games).

Is it true that the only way to prove it is when one is very stupid and does it repeatedly or says: "I'm gonna pp now?".

In the case when one plays very badly and pp's because he let his team down I think it is even harder to prove, since there are even less clues, i.e. no afks.

I would also like to argue that being afk in a game before pp is no prove at all: I am often afk in a game, because I am doing other things. I would hate this site to ban me if I disconnect because I was getting a drink at lvl 8 and had to answer the door at lvl 17 because of which I missed a build.

[Krayyzie]

Yep..one of the main reasons, its impossible to prove, but somehow 8-9 out of 10 disconnects are on loosing team... I would say to ur question mickey, its impossible to prove it unless someone states in the game "okay, im gonna disconnect now, gg " and then disconnects...

This is same as the 2 game ghosting we found @ start of league, with 1 player obviously moving his screen in obvious pattern to tell enemies what and when our team sent, and even had a proof that he asked an enemy if he wanted to spy on us(who said no). The problem is its impossible to prove 100% and without 100% proven rulebreak u cant really give them any punishment, because you cant punish someone before they´re proven guilty, and thats the way it should be...

[supersexyy]

From now on, disconnectors might find their ELOs are lower than what they should be.

[cyberpunk]

Many times the players are unfair and try to PP do get some advantage.
BUT many other times is a real dc.

between truth and lies.. what is most likely to cause disconnects?
when was the frozen throne released? 2002? 2003?
you know minesweeper, doesn't need internet connection :3
...
Imagine all the LIHL games w/o draw rule..

Oh a 3v4 is an unfair game?
Yes it is but if west wins the game then what happens? World War III? Do you want to prevent justin bieber's death?
If you remove the draw rule there will be no more accusations about PP?
I don't think so, however will have a reduced number of PP. and finally no more retard drama between LTD players.

Be honest.. make a scale, the positive points and the negative points.. everyone knows the result 1+1 = 2, justin bieber must die.

[iightfyre]

I really have to admit that I do agree with all of the arguments for doing away with the !draw rule. It's such a gray area and nearly impossible to prove a pp as people have mentioned.

What we have done now is incorporate the DC penalty system which is still in a beta mode atm. Hopefully the - ELO penalty will discourage PPs and we won't need to go through all this drama. If it doesn't, I'm sure that we will be having the same conversation again soon

[iightfyre]

case closed. moving to archive.