Ban Request

[m4dnix]

Your battle.net username: MILF.hOTMilk
Violator's battle.net username: CondomStyle and tw.tw
Game name (if known): [ENT] DotA apem us/ca #77
Bot name (for example, ENT15): Sorry, i dont know it.
Approximate date/time of game (alternatively, link to a Stats page): 21/11/2012, 08:28
Rule player violated: Map-hacking
Time of incidents (Note in-game timer or replay timer): 1.54 CondomStyle selects Dk and Lycans in our base. As for tw.tw he selected Sb by 6:12 and 11:15.
Any further thoughts:
1:54 |cFFA9A9A9CondomStyle (Techies)|r clicked Dragon Knight
1:54 |cFFA9A9A9CondomStyle (Techies)|r clicked Lycanthrope

Thats for CondomStyle (although he had many other clicks later on).

tw.tw clicks:
6:12 |cFF0000FFtw.tw (Furion)|r clicked Spiritbreaker
11:15 |cFF0000FFtw.tw (Furion)|r clicked Spiritbreaker

I want to add that i am pretty much sure that both of them hacked, and i have watched furion since he was in our team, he knew exactly when to go and where, also, techies mined our forest, furion bought wards went there and landed wards infront of mines and destroyed them, and he couldnt know where techies mined, and this is not the only situation.. he had many obvious moves.. I request ban for both of them because of map-hacking. p.s. tw.tw is a high elo player, 1700+ and using mh, he should be ashamed of himself.

Edit: I know this guy CondomStyle, a week ago or so, he used to play against me, and he played Arc warden by then, and he map-hacked alot, even his team confirmed that, but someone from my team said that he is going to report him, and i didnt give it a go, but as i can see, he never reported him.. so yea, he still hacks.

[Bubblestorms]

I can confirm that Techies is fog clicking, however Furion's clicks were just bugged clicks, two spawn clicks. You should really check guidelines about fog clicking man. Need another admin to confirm on techie's clicks. Also can some one check on 15:20, how furion figures out where the mines are. With no obs to see where techies is. So if an admin can check this suspicious play out too.

[m4dnix]

Trust me, i am trying to get used to it, and i am doing my best... I've read alot that thread about fog clicks. Idk. It will be ok by the time, i can assure you that. Btw, about furion, he was in my team, i believe that he is hacking, suspicious play.. and there is a moment where he went in our forest, he knew that techies mined that area, he landed wards, and destroyed mines, but how could he know where are mines?
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Ok so, i've watched the whole replay again, i can confirm that furion had no fog-clicks, these that i mentioned before were bugs, i finally know now what i was doing wrong, but also, since i watched the whole replay, i must say that furion is suspicious.. alot... for example, by the 13 minute, he was by the fountain, all of the sudden, he pinged techies in our forest who was landing mines, and furion had no vision of that area, furion teleported there, landed wards, and destroyed mines, he knew exactly where to place ward. Also, by the 24-26 minute, he had suspiciously moves.. and, he always knew when to push top, usually it was when their whole team was ganking us and being together, so he goes there and push it, but every single time when he is sure that no one is nearby.. I really put some effort in this one.. and i would like other GMs to check this replay, because this guy really might be hacking after all.

[m4dnix]

Oh, we should do something then. I am thinking about downloading his recent games (replays) and watch some of them, what bothers me now is... would that still be valid if i find anything in those replays that i want to watch?

[m4dnix]

I've just watched the replay from his last game... and i believe even more now that the guy is hacking but hiding it very well.

By the 15 minute, trax teleported at bottom, and he knew that windrunner is farming at bottom, but windrunner was going back after he finished a wafe of scourge creeps, trax went straight to him, and i was like WTF how could he know where exactly is windrunner heading to, ok, i said to myself, that shoulda have been luck, i kept watching the replay, by the 19 minute, void was farming neutrals in their forest, trax (tw.tw) went straight to him and killed him... thats the moment i quitted watching and came here to post this, because this was so obvious, please, i would like some more admins to check this replay, because i believe that this guy is hacking, if needed, i will watch again, and i am also available to watch some other replays of this guy. No problem for me, what matters is to catch this guy and prevent in doing so.

Here is the replay, watch from 15 till 19 (in-game timer, not the replay one).. you will see what happened there.

[Bubblestorms]

So, is the ban confirmed that Techies (CondomStyle) and Furion(tw.tw) is maphacking?

[adventureclub]

I actually believe tw.tw is maphacking. He was on my team in my last game, but I have to review the replay.

[Bubblestorms]

I don't care how good one can be at map awareness, he suddenly pings a random location where techies just happens to be mining at with no vision goes in and puts up a invis ward. It would have been luck had he been running around and caught sight of techies putting up mines or an obs ward caught techies mining, but when two people from different teams maphack I guess it is hard to identify.

[m4dnix]

Well, i believe that we have said enough, but if anyone here wants to watch the last replay i 've added here yesterday, would be nice, because there you will see an obvious maphacking. He had 2 situations, and one could have been coincidence, but another one i believe is not.

[Tymtrppr3]

So i have been watching this replay for a good hour now. I'm just a random guy that got bored this morning. I've watched this replay at least 5 times now.... the 13 mark is legit. you can see that PA was farming their forest and for a very split second you can catch techies setting a statis trap and thats why he tp in and planted a ward. i will say this. he is definitely map hacking. the thing about it is, it wasnt a full mh it was only a partial i.e. mini map hacking not actual fog. because there was a time where he was clicked on techies when he had that invis rune in the bottle right around the 9:00 part and he planted a random ward in the mid lane and tried to chase him down. it seems weird to me that it was such aweful placement that he would have known exactly where it was. but the thing is. he knew that he was invis. he got away from sniper as techie was about to suicide, sure he could have had a suspicion that he would have suicided but not at that EXACT moment. nobody is that smart, the reason i say only partial mh is because at one point he was actually delected off his own hero (furion) at that point and clicked on techies and when he went up the ramp towards sentinel secret shop he also delected off of techies verifying that it wasnt a full mh because if it were a full mh when he went up the ramp it wouldnt have deselected, but the way i know for a known fact he is mh in some way is at around the 32 minute mark(game time). where everybody was top and he randomly pinged the mini map.i have verified watching it 5 times now that there is NO WAY he should have known they were in that general area. nothing would have given that away other than some sort of hunch and he happened to ping exactly where they were coming from.... where gray called him out on it "hi mh" that was valid gameplay. he was dead and he was watching mid lane and gray happened to retreat from mid and took that way towards top rune and that is an obvious path people take when they are on scourage. I would have said that all of this is valid but just fishy gameplay HAD HE NOT pinged at 32:00. That ping alone made me believe he is hacking. Again at the 9:00 mark he had a 50/50 chance of guessing where techies would retreat to (i.e. top side rune or sentinel jungle) when he went invis. Please review my points and you'll see that i've spent the past 2 hours investigating these lol. I'd say blue had been caught red handed at 32:00 because nobody could have known this... the 9:55 suicide was almost a dead giveaway too... he was literally an inch from techies and went back and sniper took the hit because he was playing legit.

[m4dnix]

You are right. Also, did you notice that Furion was pushing only when whole scourge team was ganking us ? He always knew that he is safe to go and push the top lane because no one was nearby, ok, i can understand, once or twice... it could be a coincidence, but he did the same thing several times. Also, please, if you have some more free time, there is a replay i've posted last night from his last game by then. But i will also add it here now again, so you can check it, if you have some more free time and patience to watch it.

Watch from 15 minute untill 19.. (game time) he was chasing sentinels in their forest and rushed straight to them without any wards/vision or anything, that chase after windrunner coulda have been a coincidence, but second time he went after void and there is no way he would have known whereabouts of void.

Also thanks for your help and your opinion, i really appreciate that, tw.tw is a high elo guy, and it seems that he is experienced map-hacker, any help here is more than welcome to catch this guy.