Troll And Elves multiple

LetMeHelpYou · Postby **LetMeHelpYou** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:01 pm

Replay Link: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 019475.w3g
Game Name: [ENT] Troll and Elves #26
Your Warcraft III Username: LetMeHelpYou
Violator's Warcraft III Username: cigogne , LTT , ronald_butcher , indijones2
Violated Rule(s):
1>> More than 2 people building in 1 base
2>> Hiding between troll huts
Time of Violation (in-game or replay):
>>25:00 purple hiding between huts
>>29:00 3 people building in 1 base
Any further thoughts:
After doing all the hard work , these 3 come together ,
ALL BUILD WORKERS IN 1 BASE . Red also gave his workshop to teal so they could have 6 workers in 1 base

so these many workers + 3 elfs . At 38:00 even 3 end game blades could not destroy that wall ( it was not even a end game wall )
Was a dead game in the end
The rule says > the third can only assist with spells , but sadly he built

Red says teal doesnt have buildings in his base

Spoiler!

In Fact , he gave the building to teal himself so they could build 2 more workers

Spoiler!

Cigogne · Postby **Cigogne** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:22 pm

Ah you made it, good, let's see where it goes.

Elves may not build (in) a base with more than two builders. If your base is destroyed or a base with more than two builders needs help, you may go there to aid with spells but you must not build.

I believe we would agree on the fact it's having a farming house (income) and a wall inside a protected place by more than 2 people that the rule is trying to forbid because that is unfair.

In this case, teal moved to our base after having his base destroyed to the ground. He did built a worker's shop OUTSIDE my wall and he made a worker. After that, I built him another one inside the walls and gave it to him. He made his worker and then proceed to destroy it. Never did he built a house or a rock in the base, so he had no income.
Also, as he did for the first one, he could have made the second outside. Basically the building he had in for less than 3 minutes didn't impact the game.

Finally this specific T&E rule would apply to players who decided to make a 3 elf base with all of them having income, this is not the case here.

Thus this ban request is invalid.

What I see here is a bitter player who can't accept that he lost.
As soon as he realised he couldn't win he threatened and mocked (which, if I remember correctly is against ent gaming rules, a warning for his behaviour would be appreciated) :

Spoiler!

Although, regarding indijones2 going to places where the troll couldn't attack him it is valid. (Blinking/Moving Angel or Elf to a position on the map where the troll is unable to attack due to size or terrain.)

Regards

LetMeHelpYou · Postby **LetMeHelpYou** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:50 pm

Elves may not build (in) a base with more than two builders. If your base is destroyed or a base with more than two builders needs help, you may go there to aid with spells but you must not build.

You build the workers shop outside or inside makes no difference , the point is his workers were inside and he used more than just spells to help you

now
1st

In this case, teal moved to our base after having his base destroyed to the ground. He did built a worker's shop OUTSIDE my wall and he made a worker. After that, I built him another one inside the walls and gave it to him

i like how you type 'OUTSIDE' in caps and 'inside' small
so u do agree teal had a building INSIDE the base which u built and gave it to him !

2nd

Also, as he did for the first one, he could have made the second outside. Basically the building he had in for less than 3 minutes didn't impact the game.

ofcourse the building didnt have any impact on the game
but the 2 extra workers did

3rd

Finally this specific T&E rule would apply to players who decided to make a 3 elf base with all of them having income, this is not the case here.

so you never need a end game wall then , u do ultraionic and put 6 workers and elves on it , which cant be broken by 3 end game blades as i tried in this game

4th

As soon as he realised he couldn't win he threatened and mocked (which, if I remember correctly is against ent gaming rules, a warning for his behaviour would be appreciated) :

i dont see any bad behaviour from my side here , it was against the rules and i let you know that i am going to report ( which is not against the rules )
dont omit your part when u put chat in spoilers

Spoiler!

lastly

Thus this ban request is invalid.

You need to let the mods judge that sir .

To simplify all this
You had 6 workers repairing 1 wall, and i don't see you getting away with it

Thank you for replying though

Cigogne · Postby **Cigogne** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:31 am

You don't see me getting away with it ?

Use your brain, workers are an unit not a building. Furthermore they were teals, so if it happens to be forbidden which is nowhere in the rules, it would be teal taking the Fall.

Hopefully one day you'll accept your loose. If you didn't fool around leaving the walls at 1hp to make the game last we wouldn't have gotten late game

LetMeHelpYou · Postby **LetMeHelpYou** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:42 pm

this above comment makes no sense to the topic at all .

All 3 of you should be banned , you gave that building to him yourself ((29:29 / Private) cigogne: -gu teal).
and it is never about win or lose to me .
i would've reported no matter i won or lost,
and no matter if this is accepted or denied ,

according to me it was unfair and rules were broken .
Have a good day !

Cigogne · Postby **Cigogne** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:28 pm

Of course it's unfair, the troll can't win in late game that is all. So it bruised your ego and now you're trying -in a way- to get revenge involving a rule which doesn't apply to this case since as I said, workers are a unit and not a building.

Rules weren't broken apart from purple going to places where you couldn't attack him, but not that it made a difference anyway.

Have a good day too.

LetMeHelpYou · Postby **LetMeHelpYou** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:19 pm

Rule broken >

Elves may not build (in) a base with more than two builders. If your base is destroyed or a base with more than two builders needs help, you may go there to aid with spells but you must not build.

you gave that BUILDING to him yourself

(29:29 / Private) cigogne: -gu teal).

what do you have to say about this ?

Cigogne · Postby **Cigogne** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:10 pm

As I have explained to you, but you seem to need the explanation once again : teal did not build. He had a building for 2 minutes but never did he built it.
Anyway, if mods do consider it's as if he built it, the rule stipulate it's building a base, a BASE (farm, rock etc.) a worker's guild doesn't make a base alone.

LetMeHelpYou · Postby **LetMeHelpYou** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:52 pm

Your explanations are all a fail attempt to get away from this ban

SO
'teal didnot build it'
but
'you built it and gave the building to teal'

you think thats not a 3 person base then ?

Its never the buildings that impact the game ( they are 1 hit ) , but the things those buildings make >>> gold from house , wisp and lumber from tree , similarly workers from workshop .

you say

a worker's guild doesn't make a base alone.

neither does a rock alone or a house alone or a tree alone
but that is exactly why the rules says YOU CANT BUILD ( coz its not the buildings alone, but the things those buildings can make that impact the game )

Cigogne · Postby **Cigogne** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:49 pm

My explanations are all a fail attempt to get away from my ban, and this whole thread is all a fail attempt to get revenge from loosing a game that you can't cope with.

Anyway let the mods do their work

LetMeHelpYou · Postby **LetMeHelpYou** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:08 pm

Revenge ?
For what ?

i already have a topic in suggestions about the rule change
you are not important to me . this ban request is not about "you"

and yes i agree . lets not post more here

thank you for the debate though

Cigogne · Postby **Cigogne** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:12 pm

Please, read again how bitter you were in the game and then doing that. But sure.

Nice suggestion, the rules don't go in your favor so you propose to change them. Not bad.

By the way for your knowledge : here is a real trepassing of the rule :

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=91002&p=361370&hilit=3+elf+base#p361370

LetMeHelpYou · Postby **LetMeHelpYou** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:48 pm

This ban request is not about the rules i broke
Kindly post a new ban request if you feel i violated any rules

i don't know why you are still crying here

lets not continue this and let the mods judge

Cigogne · Postby **Cigogne** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:53 pm

Please highlight the parts where I'm crying. I don't see any, why would I even cry ? I'm having fun proving your point wrong.

Arii · Postby **Arii** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:02 pm

What it really comes down to is the fact that teal did actually build in the base to make another professional worker. With that being said,

indijones2@europe banned 1 day for Hiding in Unattackable Spot.
ronald_butcher@uswest banned 2 days for Triple basing.

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