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[LTD] Trebor europe.battle.net + more

Postby Velz » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:05 am

Replay Link: https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=9539990
Game Name: [ENT] Legion TD Mega 1200+ #55
Your Warcraft III Username: Velzu
Violator's Warcraft III Username: trebor europe.battle.net / ganjiy europe.battle.net / crazy_skeleton europe.battle.net / scrumm europe.battle.net / aighiun server.eurobattle.net / scheissonurelo2 europe.battle.net
Violated Rule(s): Attempt on intentional teamkill (red), leaving the game (orange & pink), refusing to kick intentional teamkiller (purple, yellow and green)
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): 14:35 until the end of the game.
Any further thoughts:

East side leaks level 1 without send and leaks 50+ to king on level 2. On their last stand to get back in the game by sending level 4, they failed and pink most likely decided to take one for the team, altho I have no proof. The draw vote approaches and me and blue rightfully decline it. I'm all for drawing open games where a leaver tip the scales, but 50+ king leaks on level 2 including a heal gone, it won't get drawed by me. Call me a bad person if you wish. Anyways, as level 7 is getting close, red decides that he's going to put himself above the rules, in order to be a "good person" and states that he won't send, in an attempt to draw the game. (We already called level 7 send with immolation and holder before pink left). Purple also don't send in the same attempt as red, but at least he wasn't proceeding to teamkill after that, hence why I don't report him for anything else than refusing to votekick a teamkiller. From here on, red doesn't build a single unit until many levels later and doesn't spend a single lumber until level 15. Clearly an attempt of teamkill as a second choice, since his first choice of drawing wasn't gonna happen. He even admitted several times in chat that he was doing it to get a draw and that he doesn't care if he gets a ban since he has a lot of upcoming stuff to do. We even had king leaks, on 7, 8, 10 and 14 and he didn't upgrade king once. He was on 11 income until the last level of the game, and we all know that this isn't a good thing, even if he would be a suicider.

Both me and blue tried to votekick red for clear teamkill attempt, both before arena and after. The remains of the opposing team claimed they had no proof, even if me and blue said what he was doing. Still no votes on the votekick, even after seeing 600 value and 11 income on arena, and red admitting in chat that he did it on purpose. I told clearly in chat that everyone who didn't vote yes would be reported, and no f**ks were given. Game ended on level 15, despite me missing send, which was not intentional btw, nor would have had any impact. If you watch the replay from level 7 to 15, you will get a clear picutre of what red was trying to do, and 3 people refusing to votekick a visible game ruiner. Good thing he didn't get hold of the king as it would most likely be a sure loss.

Aditionally, I didn't see any autoban on either of the leavers in this game. I don't know if they found a glitch to avoid it or if it's intended to be like this. Apologies if the leaver reports are invalid.

Spoiler!
(14:35 / All) Trebor: i wont send tho
(16:01 / All) Trebor: yeah :p he's gonna report me tho
(16:20 / All) Trebor: but i guess i can live with 3 days without wc3 :)
(16:54 / All) Trebor: i wouldnt mind getting a ban for it tho
(16:56 / Allied) Velzu: not drawing is not against the rules
(16:56 / Allied) Trebor: i know
(16:56 / Allied) Velzu: intentional teamkilling however, is
(16:56 / Allied) Trebor: but its against my rules


Spoiler!
(21:38 / Allied) king_jofr: !votekick treb
(21:38 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: A votekick against player [Trebor] has been started by player [king_jofr]. 4 votes are needed within 60 seconds to pass.
(21:38 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: Type !yes to vote.
(21:38 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: ** Note: !votekick should only be used to kick players breaking a rule. You should not votekick players new to the game!
(21:42 / Allied) Velzu: !yes
(21:42 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: Player [Velzu] voted to kick player [Trebor]. 3 more votes are needed to pass.
(22:03 / All) Velzu: Btw, I will report everyone who doesnt vote yes aswell
(22:37 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: A votekick against player [Trebor] has expired.


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(24:30 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: purple is it true u asked red to save wood? If it is true no1 can report red for not sending
(24:39 / All) Trebor: no he didnt
(24:41 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: just say it is true :D
(24:41 / All) Velzu: give me a break
(24:46 / All) Trebor: nobody told me anything
(24:49 / All) Velzu: he didnt build fr 5 levels
(24:51 / All) Trebor: i just did it
(24:57 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: i do not trust u
(25:06 / All) Velzu: is it visible enough for u now?


Spoiler!
(27:03 / Allied) Velzu: !votekick trebor
(27:03 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: A votekick against player [Trebor] has been started by player [Velzu]. 4 votes are needed within 60 seconds to pass.
(27:03 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: Type !yes to vote.
(27:03 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: ** Note: !votekick should only be used to kick players breaking a rule. You should not votekick players new to the game!
(27:07 / Allied) king_jofr: !yes
(28:02 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: A votekick against player [Trebor] has expired.


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(27:04 / All) Trebor: they have to ban me
(27:10 / All) Trebor: its the correct thing
(27:19 / All) Trebor: but like i said
(27:28 / All) Trebor: i dont want to steal elo in a 2v4

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Re: [LTD] Trebor europe.battle.net + more

Postby Crazy_Skeleton » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:38 am

This guy has mental problems, what can be see in drama section called Other Thoughts.
Sentence 1: Pink who had DC had ea and was FAT! Autobanex will make his ban, so ur bullshit not necceserry.
Sentence 2: ( U refused to draw ) Yes, U confirmed u r an asshole, gj :D. After lvl 2 we were high pushes, but NO ADMIN cares about such bullshit in this post
About RED:
lvl 7: Red did not send. Smart move since we were immo and big king. He did not follow ur call, why should he. I also did not find any1 called to send lvl 7 in the chat, so either u lie in ban request what purple in ur team admits here:
(37:02 / All) Ganjiy: like no one said anything on 7
Than he did suicide, saved wood and killed us lvl 15. Maybe Velz wanted red to play another way but why red has to follow Velz calls not supported by team? I gues he does not! Better ask why Velz did not send lvl 15 with rest of the team? Should he get banned since he wanna ban red for not sending 7?

"Both me and blue tried to votekick red for clear teamkill attempt, both before arena and after" 2 players can not kick 1. Purple did not wanan kick red. I asked purple many times.

As for me Velz broke the rule of vk abuse. He made vk many times and was harrasing us (opposite team) to kick even though not whole his team wanted to kick.
2ndly Velz did ghost for us telling us the value, income and wood of red before arena. It is bannable.
Plz see my ban request post:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=113455

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Re: [LTD] Trebor europe.battle.net + more

Postby FalenGa » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:39 pm

This is not the place for spam/insults, or your personal opinions on draw. Keep it clean.

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Re: [LTD] Trebor europe.battle.net + more

Postby Velz » Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:15 pm

Sentence 1: Pink who had DC had ea and was FAT! Autobanex will make his ban, so ur bullshit not necceserry.

Spoiler!
How is this relevant? You think EA is the only unit who can push early? You don't think 50+ king leaks on level 2 help on our pushes too? The autobanex did however not trigger. I checked it twice

About RED:
lvl 7: Red did not send. Smart move since we were immo and big king. He did not follow ur call, why should he. I also did not find any1 called to send lvl 7 in the chat, so either u lie in ban request what purple in ur team admits here:
(37:02 / All) Ganjiy: like no one said anything on 7

Spoiler!
We had 2k+ lumber saved up. We had harlot holder and immolation aswell, while your "holder" leaked level 1+2 with grizzly so he would barely go mid. It's pretty obvious that 7 was the right call. Red knew it, purple knew it, and you knew it so I don't know why try to bring false statements. This is not red making superior calls, this is him trying to ruin the game in order to get a draw.
(14:35 / All) Trebor: i wont send tho

Than he did suicide, saved wood and killed us lvl 15. Maybe Velz wanted red to play another way but why red has to follow Velz calls not supported by team?

Spoiler!
Who are you trying to fool? Either you didn't watch the replay or you misunderstand badly what it means to suicide. Red did not build a single unit or a single lumberjack in 4-5 levels in order to get a draw. He stacked up on gold and lumber in an attempt to ruin the game, not by saving wood for level 15 send. He was not afk, and he was perfectly aware that what he was doing is bannable, so please don't bring this bs to the table.
(14:35 / All) Trebor: i wont send tho
(16:01 / All) Trebor: yeah :p he's gonna report me tho
(16:20 / All) Trebor: but i guess i can live with 3 days without wc3 :)
(16:54 / All) Trebor: i wouldnt mind getting a ban for it tho

I gues he does not! Better ask why Velz did not send lvl 15 with rest of the team? Should he get banned since he wanna ban red for not sending 7?

Spoiler!
You have to separate intentional lumber save and missed send, as red was perfectly aware that we sent level 7, while I was not aware that we sent level 15. It still wouldn't have any impact as 10-12k lumber should be plenty to finish off two people while 700-800 lumber send from me and blue combined wouldn't be nearly enough to cause damage on level 7.
(14:35 / All) Trebor: i wont send tho
(36:17 / All) Velzu: no one said anything

"Both me and blue tried to votekick red for clear teamkill attempt, both before arena and after" 2 players can not kick 1. Purple did not wanan kick red. I asked purple many times.

Spoiler!
Yeah you asked purple like this:
(24:30 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: purple is it true u asked red to save wood? If it is true no1 can report red for not sending
(24:39 / All) Trebor: no he didnt
(24:41 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: just say it is true :D
Just cut the crap already. You knew perfectly well what red was doing and you were clearly trying to make purple bring false statements in order to get the chat to look better for the mods to review.

As for me Velz broke the rule of vk abuse. He made vk many times and was harrasing us (opposite team) to kick even though not whole his team wanted to kick.

Spoiler!
Votekicking an intentional teamkiller is not an abuse, but rather an obligation. You didn't vote yes cause you saw a hope during arena, that red would delay his send and that you could finish us off on level 14 with red not building.

You are obligated to !votekick any player that has broken any of ENT's rules. If someone or several indicate that a particular player is game ruining, you, as a player in the game, are obligated to question/check about the situation/claim.
If a votekick is initiated to kick a visible game ruiner, all players are obligated to !yes.


2ndly Velz did ghost for us telling us the value, income and wood of red before arena. It is bannable.

When you initiate a !votekick, you should clearly explain "Who" and "How" the violator is game ruining via all chat.

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This is exactly what I did. It's not ghosting, it's simply following the rules. Something perhaps you should consider as well.

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Re: [LTD] Trebor europe.battle.net + more

Postby Crazy_Skeleton » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:04 pm

Pitty admins if they will read this ^^ not getting paid for! :) I am not going to read whole bullshit but the case about me & vk.

'You are obligated to !votekick any player that has broken any of ENT's rules. If someone or several indicate that a particular player is game ruining, you, as a player in the game, are obligated to question/check about the situation/claim.'

I was asking purple about red but purple never responded. (From 22 min of d game till the end ) Blue also never did comment. So no need for me to vk a player in such circumstances. Good night to ur ban request for me. :D

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Re: [LTD] Trebor europe.battle.net + more

Postby Velz » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:09 pm

Blue was the one who started the first votekick. And here is your answer from both red and purple, where you even try to manipulate their answers for the mods review. When we try to votekick him roughly 1 minute later for the second time, you don't vote again. It's pretty clear that you never had any intention on kicking him, so please cut the crap.

(24:30 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: purple is it true u asked red to save wood? If it is true no1 can report red for not sending
(24:39 / All) Trebor: no he didnt
(24:41 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: just say it is true :D
(24:41 / All) Velzu: give me a break
(24:46 / All) Trebor: nobody told me anything
(24:49 / All) Velzu: he didnt build fr 5 levels
(24:51 / All) Trebor: i just did it
(24:57 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: i do not trust u
(25:06 / All) Velzu: is it visible enough for u now?
(25:07 / All) Trebor: at first i was just hoping they would draw
(25:10 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: nope
(25:20 / All) Crazy_Skeleton: i asked purple he did not respond
(25:23 / All) Trebor: but they didnt and i was watching tv
(25:45 / All) Ganjiy: im sorry u talk to much :D i didnt ask him no

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Re: [LTD] Trebor europe.battle.net + more

Postby Crazy_Skeleton » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:14 pm

@falenga Plz close topic :)

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Re: [LTD] Trebor europe.battle.net + more

Postby Jabba41 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:32 pm

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Re: [LTD] Trebor europe.battle.net + more

Postby bezdak » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:55 pm

This case is also resolved here.

User Trebor banned for intentional TKing, 7 days.
Users Ganjiy and Aighiun banned for not kicking a visible game ruiner (he admitted it in chat even), 2 days.
User Crazy_Skeleton banned for intentional not kicking a visible game ruiner (second offence), 5 days. He showed me no respect for this rule multiple times already.

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Re: [LTD] Trebor europe.battle.net + more

Postby bezdak » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:19 pm

No dodge found.
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