[LTD] [clone74] Forced Send + Teamkill

[Bordsteinkante]

Replay Link: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 740063.w3g
Game Name: [ENT] Legion TD Mega 1200+ #41
Your Warcraft III Username: Bordsteinkante
Violator's Warcraft III Username: clone74
Violated Rule(s): Forced Send -> Teamkilled
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): lvl 14
Any further thoughts: Ye

First just for Information:
Enemy Team upped full king for 10 and skipped lvl 10 send.
They send arena (Balista+Dino)
3 time 7 5
Muta guy full jucy for lvl 12
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We never would die 14 absolut NEVER, i called to send lvl 15

(23:14 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: just 15 imo

(31:19 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: WHY
(31:22 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: HE FORCED SEND 14
(31:25 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: i dont get it
(31:29 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: i called go 15 in lvl 1
(31:30 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: 11

Clone74 forced lvl 14 send.... He just blinked and send on lvl 14 (NOONE AGREE). He Forced and TK us for absolut no reason, i think he was just mad.
We lsot the game... it was 100 % won game for us but he Tk.

[clone73]

First point:
Talking about tk:
Bordsteinkante upped HP during 6 - showing them enemy Team they dont have to fear send at 7.

Second point:
Your "information" are fake news.
Yes Enemy team upped king for 10, also they skipped 10.
BUT ist was just 1 ballista send on arena. And they had 2 guys with 7/6 push already on Arena - we could see this.
Muta juice is btw. completly irrelevant.
We would have died easily on 14 - they had 2,5k+ wood each.

Third Point:

(23:48 / Allied) clone74: just save
(23:50 / Allied) clone74: wood
(24:03 / Allied) clone74: if they come 12 we max king
(24:06 / Allied) clone74: and 16/17
(24:08 / Allied) clone74: if they dont 12
(24:11 / Allied) clone74: its race 14

Nobody said a word against this.

Conclusion:
Team EAST skipped 10 and had a strong push. Additional team WEST was weak on 14 but got 2 potential holders for 15. Race 15 wasnt a logic choice for team EAST with no holder themselves. Therefore 14 seemed to be the right choice.

[Bordsteinkante]

As first:
He lie, i upped king in the end of the round.
Edit: we saw they have 2 Time ygg ( we saw 2 ygg in lvl 3 and After we also saw that one guy went Tok ). We had TM and it was clear they will go 7. He started trashtalk and Flame.

If u watch the replay u will see that i dont lie. Also just again WE NEVER WOULD DIE 14. Clone stayed 7 4 and I was also Big.

I called 15 much earlier, the Problem is this Kid ignored me. So he refuse to Play in Team and couldnt follow my call (or at least discuss about it, so i could explain him, since he wasnt able to see the complete gameplay).
Just for the future, so its possible to act like clone?? I can just ignore my teammates and then i decide that i want to send for example lvl 19, so i just blink and force a send ???

Imo this guy started for no reason to Flame and trashtalk. After that he forced a absolut fail send With 14 (they 2 time tok and immo with 2 heals, i mean wtf????)

[clone73]

As first:
He lie, i upped king in the end of the round.

I said "you upped DURING 6". At the end of 6 is technically during 6. Anyway your argumantation is completly invalid. If they see King ups before lvl starts they can underbuild: for example if u have 3 YGG already on 6 you dont need to build anymore if u dont fear send. Twisting the words this or another way doesnt make it any better.

Tactic aint a matter here but you re also wrong about 14 - u can easily die with thorn. Only i had potential for mid.

He started trashtalk and Flame.

Neither flame nor trashtalk. I just tried to reason with you. But guess its impossible to reason with you.

I called 15 much earlier, the Problem is this Kid ignored me. So he refuse to Play in Team and couldnt follow my call (or at least discuss about it, so i could explain him, since he wasnt able to see the complete gameplay).
Just for the future, so its possible to act like clone?? I can just ignore my teammates and then i decide that i want to send for example lvl 19, so i just blink and force a send ???

So you have more rights to call something than me? Cause u said it first, which isnt even true? You called 15, i called 14, 2 teammembers said nothing. So what to do now? Ban everyone who disagrees with you?

[Bordsteinkante]

Ok this my last comment on this Brq.

1) Lets see who is all time lying all the time here:

So you have more rights to call something than me? Cause u said it first, which isnt even true? You called 15, i called 14, 2 teammembers said nothing. So what to do now? Ban everyone who disagrees with you?

I mean how can someone try to lying all the fuckign time when its possible to watch the Replay....
(21:40 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: save
(23:14 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: just 15 imo
So I called to send just lvl 15, while i did as FIRST this Call and NOONE DISAGREE TO ME, it was the actually and RIGHT call.
He not even called to send 14 or try to discuss it (not even possible because he ignored me for no reason) he just blinked and forced a absolut and complete faield 14 send.
(24:08 / Allied) clone74: if they dont 12
(24:11 / Allied) clone74: its race 14
(28:39 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: no
(28:56 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: we never die 14
(31:19 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: WHY
(31:22 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: HE FORCED SEND 14
(31:25 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: i dont get it
(31:29 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: i called go 15 in lvl 1
(31:30 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: 11

Ban everyone who disagrees with you

NOONE DISAGREE ME WTF ARE U TALKING ALL TIME, this guy is talking all time NOSENSE like trump and merkel.
Just watch pls the timesteps and see who is lying. And just for u clone, it looks like u dont know that LEgion TD is a TEAMGAME. U have to decide a call/send AS TEAM, its a TEAMDECISION. U arent able to blink and force send during i called much earlier as u to send 15.

If u read the 2 comments of him in this brq u can see that his comments are sensless they not even have a statement. I mean everybody can watch the replay and this guy cant accept that he failed and TK us, i mean just watch it, we lost the game (it was 99 % won game). Absolut everything what is telling u in his comments ISNT true. The admin who will judge this pls rly PLS watch the replay. I also think he did a itentionally TK, i dont want to repeat my first comment (they didnt had the wood to kill us 14 because of upped king + arena send + jucy etc), also to repeat my second comment (they IMMO + 2 time TOK + etc just watch the units of enemys teams). THEY NEVER WOULD DIE 14 I HAVE NO CLUE HOW SOMEONE IN OUR SITUATION CAN FORCE A LVL 14 SEND, WHILE ITS CLEAR WE ALSO NEVER DIE 14. It must be a itentionally Teamkill, he was just mad because of lvl 6.

Here are the facts:
- Forced a send
- Refuse to play in team by ignoring for no reason
- trashtalk and flame
- itentionally Teamkill
I explained all this facts in my comments.

And for the end to show u his behaviour and reaction on my upping king IN THE END OF lvl 6:

(11:24 / Allied) clone74: eh
(11:26 / Allied) clone74: why showing
(11:27 / Allied) clone74: wtf
(11:27 / Allied) clone74: man
(11:35 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: they tok
(11:39 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: 3 yxgg in lvl 6
(11:42 / Allied) clone74: dude
(11:43 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: what u thibk they will do
(11:45 / Allied) clone74: DONT SHOW
(12:03 / Allied) clone74: they might have been scared
(12:05 / Allied) clone74: dude
(12:09 / Allied) clone74: now they come full y
(12:29 / Allied) clone74: lol
(12:33 / Allied) clone74: man dude
(12:35 / Allied) clone74: u failed
(12:36 / Allied) clone74: -zoom 132
(12:40 / Allied) clone74: dont try to discuss it
(12:43 / Allied) clone74: cause u greed for 6 income
(13:46 / Allied) clone74: u so duimb red
(14:27 / Allied) clone74: its just pure nboob talking u do red
(15:02 / Allied) clone74: if u dont see this
(15:07 / Allied) clone74: u should go back to mega
(16:15 / Allied) clone74: you such pure trash
(16:19 / Allied) clone74: without any vaalid point
(16:24 / Allied) clone74: !ignore bord

Absolutly TRASHTALK and flame for no reason (They ygg holder + TOK + Immo) also dont want to repeat my arguments here u can just read them. I mean i did 2 upps in the end of lvl 6 and that was the reason that this guy lost the control of his life and started trashtalk + flame + ignore.Everything what he talked in game and now on this brq is pure shame, everythng what he talked was WRONG everything u can just watch it on the replay for REAL everything was WRONG.

JUST GG

[clone73]

1) It doesnt matter if its 1 or 10 Ups. You give them information u dont have to give. And u cant know they got immo before seeing it.

2) About who called first - i couldnt see your calls due to ignore

3) About disagreeing - i diasgreed with you and 2 Members just said nothing. So what "Teamdecission" is it then? 1 for 15, 1 for 14 and 2 abstentions. A democratic Team decision is if 3 ppl prefer one way.

4) About trashtalk - juridical a concealment is sort of lie aswell. Therefore i will add your trashtalk from the conversation:

(11:35 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: they tok
(11:39 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: 3 yxgg in lvl 6
(11:42 / Allied) clone74: dude
(11:43 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: what u thibk they will do
(11:45 / Allied) clone74: DONT SHOW
(11:51 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: stfu
(11:53 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: trash
(11:53 / Allied) clone74: they see 3 semi/holders here
(11:57 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: theay alrdy fuill send
(11:59 / Allied) hinterdir:
(12:03 / Allied) clone74: they might have been scared
(12:05 / Allied) clone74: dude
(12:09 / Allied) clone74: now they come full y
(12:19 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: yee
(12:24 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: they never would full 7
(12:29 / Allied) clone74: lol
(12:33 / Allied) clone74: man dude
(12:35 / Allied) clone74: u failed
(12:36 / Allied) clone74: -zoom 132
(12:40 / Allied) clone74: dont try to discuss it
(12:43 / Allied) clone74: cause u greed for 6 income
(12:47 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: stop trash talk
(12:50 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: no discuss
(12:53 / Allied) clone74: yoiu re trash
(12:54 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: u just trash talk
(13:25 / Allied) deezdiks: immo on them anyways
(13:40 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: dont listen him
(13:45 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: ofc they send full 7
(13:46 / Allied) clone74: u so duimb red
(13:49 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: with ygg holder and tok
(14:20 / Allied) clone74: -zoom 172
(14:27 / Allied) clone74: its just pure nboob talking u do red
(14:34 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: ye
(14:44 / Allied) clone74: they come full here cause of immo
(14:45 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: they wouldnt full send 7
(14:48 / Allied) clone74: but if they had thorn
(14:50 / Allied) clone74: and seeing 2 hades
(14:52 / Allied) clone74: 1 hydra
(14:53 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: they jsut full because they saw hp
(14:55 / Allied) clone74: they might have considered
(14:56 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: u are right
(14:56 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: DDD
(14:57 / Allied) clone74: full send
(15:02 / Allied) clone74: if u dont see this
(15:07 / Allied) clone74: u should go back to mega
(15:12 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: pls stop trash talk
(15:15 / Allied) clone74: they see
(15:26 / Allied) clone74: lod+spitter, lod+harlot and hydra
(15:31 / Allied) clone74: and have 1 ygg holder?
(15:32 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: so what ?
(15:34 / Allied) clone74: and go full 7
(15:37 / Allied) clone74: yeah legit
(15:44 / Allied) clone74: if they had thorn
(15:48 / Allied) clone74: im sure they wouldnt go full
(15:49 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: IFG
(15:49 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: IF
(15:50 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: IF
(15:51 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: IF
(15:52 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: IF
(15:59 / Allied) clone74: immo is 25%
(16:05 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: stop TRASH talk
(16:07 / Allied) deezdiks: just play lol guys
(16:08 / Allied) clone74: so u fail in 3 of 4 games
(16:11 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: last time i tell u
(16:14 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: to stop trahs talk

[Augustinus]

The problem with this 14 call was the childish ignore.
@clone74 how do you intend to make any calls if you ignore someone for no reason so they can't even object to your calls?

That the others were silent and didn't communicate the disagreement on calls didn't help either, but can't really blame someone for not mediating in a game full of flames.

Regarding the question if the 14 send is bannable or not, I think the context of the ignore is important:
Clone74 ignored Bordsteinkante after flaming him with a huge wall of text. Bordsteinkante never flamed or discussed anything excessively. In fact it would be indicated the other way around, but this ignore was just done out of spite.

In that way it was solely clone74 fault that 14 sent was done against the clear voicing of another player. Can't hold an unjustified ignore in his favour and other players were banned in an analogous situation:
viewtopic.php?t=137561

[clone73]

Why are u even talking to this matter MasterofthePit? Nobody asked about your opinion. You just support Bordstein because of your personal hate towards me.

Bordsteinkante never flamed or discussed anything excessively. In fact it would be indicated the other way around, but this ignore was just done out of spite.

What a joke.

Anyway what gives you the right to decide about whether ignores are justified or not?

If Bordsteinkante just said "sry my mistake with HP ups" - there wouldnt be a discussion overall.

You both should stop wasting MODs time with these absurd accusions driven py personal hate.


Looks really good by the way if someone accussed about TK and solo sending - comments someone elses case. Maybe clean up your own room first:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=141919&p=549037#p549037

[SnowwyWolf]

User warned for solo-send.

The handling of this BRQ will set a precedent on how players of the game should handle ignores, I do not want to set an example that by ignoring someone you dislike you can then proceed to call any send you wish, even if that other player opposes your call. On the other side your team mates not weighing in on the decision makes it much more difficult, in a game where only two people make calls and agree/disagree on them, it would make it a stalemate and a send or agreement would never happen without your team weighing in.

There will be no ban in this instance, what would have lead to a ban:
- If he actually ignored red for no reason, I feel what red typed is enough reason to ignore him.
- If the team decided to go 15 and agreed with red.

I cannot possibly ban someone for correctly using the ignore feature, making calls and the team not responding, essentially blaming clone74 or red here is incorrect, it is the allies making no input at all which lead to the solo-send from my analysis.

Relevant Information:

(11:51 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: stfu
(11:53 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: trash
(12:47 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: stop trash talk
(12:50 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: no discuss
(15:49 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: IFG
(15:49 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: IF
(15:50 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: IF
(15:51 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: IF
(15:52 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: IF
(16:24 / All) Bordsteinkante: Player [clone74] has ignored player [Bordsteinkante].
(23:14 / Allied) Bordsteinkante: just 15 imo
(24:03 / Allied) clone74: if they come 12 we max king
(24:06 / Allied) clone74: and 16/17
(24:08 / Allied) clone74: if they dont 12
(24:11 / Allied) clone74: its race 14