[DOTA] Zephinoth @ U.S. East.battle.net

[DeepMoisture]

Your Warcraft III username: LemonLeaves
Violator's Warcraft III username: Zephinoth @ useast.battle.net
Game name or map name: [ENT] DotA LoD -sdems6bod2 #40
Approximate date/time of game (alternatively, link to a Stats page): http://atl.entgaming.net/replay/view_re ... 597197.w3g
Rule player violated: MH
Time of incidents (Note in-game timer or replay timer): Min 6 or 7 I go after him near their bottom tower and he keeps backing, primes overpower, and then attacks me as soon as I gank him. I was invis. How does he know? MOREOVER, he buys a gem right as I'm ganking him (prior to him having sight of me) and ferries it over to himself on a courier. Minute 15 my team is roshing and I chase him through their jungle, he keeps backing even though he knows I'm coming from the ward, BUT, once he's backed far enough he randomly dusts me without any sight of me or knowledge that I'm there. Several questionable ganks/dusts on his part.
Any further thoughts: Please ban, and thank you for reviewing.

[Chaos_Sniper]

(I'm Zephinoth) Lol, first off I have to say you're a bad noob. Should have rewatched replay and see my point of view first. Second off I am no bad player who knows how to use common sense.
To reply to his post: First off, in the beginning of our fight bottom I'm constantly riding at less than 300hp at that 6-7 min point I believe ur mentioning? And multiple times you disappear off line of sight, I ain't no dumbass noob whos going to stay with creeps and get raped by a support nuker, Use ur head. Second accusation, I planned on buying a gem the second I had the money for it special for you, I was already at low hp running away having killed that other guy, gem was already on its way and you were out of line of sight probably coming for me invis, (using commen sense part) luckily it arrived seriously perfect timing where you was literally 1 foot away from me so I raped you before you even stunned. Pure luck on my part haha I enjoyed it. As for the third accusation I had an observer ward already at roshan, pink lays his observer ward down next to mine when he ran towards hill, and saw that you guys saw me so I ww and ran away. Pink continues to pursue me past your middle tower and STILL pursues me towards my forest, be mindful our creeps have vision of him. If you put 2 and 2 together hes still pursuing me in my forest by himself? Yeah, pretty sure you was still following me also, so I dusted perfect timing to see you running around by me. Boo hoo. Any pro would have done the same thing. (Common sense use your head) And then the last time I dusted before one of you noobs saved replay was when you was ganking riki, you ww bcuz ur low hp, but riki is stuck in place from rupture with 200hp, yeah, common sense ur about to finish him off retard, so I dust by him and raped you. Gg. I hope you still think I maphack because its apparent you just suck. Sorry admin for flaming him but hes retarded for thinking so and wasting your time.

[DeepMoisture]

Your post does not belong here. If anything, it looks like a frantic attempt to defend yourself prior to review by an admin. Your flaming does not belong here. If anything, it looks like a sore loser's attempt to vent anger after losing to a person he calls "noob." I watched the replay, and the creeps do not see me mid, and your dust is "too perfect." The ban request forums are designed especially for situations such as these, where a person MAY be potentially map hacking or glitching.

[Chaos_Sniper]

Lol definitely not frantic, and merely stating my own comment so all admins can see you wasted their time before reviewing the replay. You clearly got destroyed, I definitely didn''t lose to you but from my teammates failings. Anyway, you should reread my post before attempting to criticize it. I'll even restate it for you, I said: ---- " PINK continues to pursue me PAST your middle tower and -STILL- pursues me towards my forest, be mindful our creeps have vision of HIM. If you put 2 and 2 together he's still pursuing me in my forest by himself? Yeah, pretty sure YOU (brown) was STILL following me also, (Adding this part in: after you having WWed by from roshan when my observer ward saw you), so I dusted perfect timing to see you running around by me." (Followed by pink middle)----
As for your last pathetic comment, the ban format clearly says to be ABSOLUTELY SURE you believe someone is maphacking before accusing them, after having rewatched replay FIRST, and used the program through replay to see if any fog clicking was present in game. Good day sir.

[NutzSucksHard]

@Chaos_Sniper : If you know you're not guilty, you have nothing to be scare of. Let admin manage this. Look like you are scared that admin find something over you. Were you waiting for this post to be posted? Looks like it. Hmmmmm

by DeepMoisture » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:10 pm /// by Chaos_Sniper » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:26 pm

If you didn't maphacked, there's no need to post all this 'crap'. Sorry but it is what it is. If you finish by being banned. Just go appeal with your argue. There's no need to start bullshiting and get over with your ego and the 'pro' you're. Seriously, half of what you've typed isn't usefull for the staff. Just do this :

10:11 > I went to x way and had vision of him at 10:14 so I've knew he were following me bla bla bla. This is an exemple.

No need to :

''You noob shit, I raped you! This is just typical, all pro would had made that"... Maybe not. Let admin review this. There's no waste of time for them by reviewing it. The only waste of time is you, with your post that we have to read over. This is a big waste of time.

the ban format clearly says to be ABSOLUTELY SURE you believe someone is maphacking before accusing them, after having rewatched replay FIRST, and used the program through replay to see if any fog clicking was present in game. Good day sir.

Where does it say that? Everyone is free to post a request over someone. He is 100% sure you're maphacking. Still, it's to staff to confirm if HIS judgement was good. Staff will decide if you're maphacking or not. I can make a request against anyone here, it's free. Only rule you have to respect is to not flame in it, fill up the format and the most important of all. Do not flood/spam the forum with many request that are about the same person or double post.

I think everything is clear there now. Let admin manage request if it's to not help them with your post. Also, don't bring this to personal. Admin are there to judge without any bias.

Thanks for not flaming around the BRQ section.

-Staff

EDIT : For those who want to troll like the one under me. Leave the BRQ section. Useless post are not for here. There's an Off-topic section for it.

Thanks for understanding.

<3

[QTriNitY]

I will support the ban on user for map hacking. @Chaos_Sniper why did you even dodge, tried to juke and predust Dazzle in the below scene.
Every twist and turns were spot on before finally dusting him.

Awaiting clarification, 24 hours, before asserting the ban.

Zephinoth@useast.battle.net pending placement of Map Hack Ban.

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@SuperSane any contribution to the topic? If not, please do not make comments about language levels. uakf.b did not build ENT an English School.

[Yondaime]

@Qtrinity due to recent removal, can you give me specific times for where you thought were most suspicious which aided you for supporting him maphacking??

[QTriNitY]

@Yondaime This scene alone is sufficient to ban. Predusting and refusal to engage Dazzle. Dazzle had allies nearby which was not visible during the dusting period.

Chaos Knight after dusting Dazzle, waited for his foes to leave before returning to laning.

I would have banned Zephinoth @ U.S. East.battle.net that day but because Chaos_Sniper replied to this ban request, I did not place the ban.
Wanted to hear what he has to say to my findings.
Anyways, what I have mentioned above is more than sufficient to ban. If there's a need, add one more scene which took place after this.

Irrefutable Map Hack.

[Chaos_Sniper]

I had to redownload this replay since its been so long to see what's this all about. I will answer each accusation in order of sequence as they happen. What I do ask of view: as you watch the replay, have me selected with fog of war checked, and attempt to understand my player mindset in game as things happen and I will explain to further guide along.
First accusation: At 9:11 minutes in game timer, you will see I have my courier selected, I just bought gem and about to have it transferred over. At the same instant of buying it, you will see gray (axe) attacks me as this is happening. As I hit the courier transfer button, I immediately click on my hero and ww and run away, only to realize its just gray by himself, so I turn around un invis and kill him. Whenever I move my hero I use auto attack to move. At 9:29 game timer, you will see I'm running back home eventually to heal, gem is halfway there now after having killed gray. The second gem is transferred to my inventory at 9:29, my hero from auto attack immediately targets dazzle (brown), where he then avalanches and missed because of autoattack path change, where I THEN use overpower and kill him. LemonLeaves accused me of using PRE using overpower before he was even there, and accuses me of DODGING his stun, when it clearly happened the way I described if you watched replay. He falsely accuses me and never watches replay before posting this post on forum. To further back me up, if I was maphacking, why the hell would I run directly in browns path of gank, and not WW and run away by lower trees or even around him?? That instance was such clutch luck that not even I or anyone could have envisioned that kill. You will see 10 seconds later after kill I run up to try to kill some neuts now that I have killed dazzle and axe, only to encounter pink also trying to gank me, where he then uses lifebreak and stun and nearly kills me with like 50hp left. If I was maphacking, why the hell would I run right into pink only to escape by a mere breath of luck with ww after lifebreak?
Second accusation: For pink since he accuses me of mh all game. You will notice I placed an observer ward down at top rune and continue up hill. At 11:23 game time I will see pink for a split second from ward vision through trees, use overpower and kill him, and continue to kill his neut creeps he was attacking. If I was maphacking, why the hell would I finish killing his creeps after killing him, only to have dragon knight (lb) and dazzle (brown) run down both hills to gank me? If I was maphacking, I would have immediately ww and ran away after gank knowing they was there. Instead I didn't, stayed to kill creeps, saw them too late, and died.
Now as for the third accusation that everyone's worked up about, even I have to admit that was hella suspicious when I dusted and saw brown. I want you to watch all these sequence of events before it happens to understand my player mindset. So that I'm not copying and pasting for the third time, I'll explain it in detail slightly. They at at roshan, pink lays down his observer ward next to mine at roshan, I see brown ww and the rest of them running for me from my vision of ward and run away, past their middle tower. If you still have me selected in replay with fog of war checked, you will see I have vision of pink following me for a few instances. I run to middle creeps, kill it, If you take fog of war off you will see brown is running right past me without me even knowing it yet. (If I maphack I would have dusted then and there and killed him). I run further down by trees heading towards the neutral creeps, knowing from vision that pink is STILL persueing me from roshan by himself. Being scared at that moment in time and playing it safe, I run back up for more vision, use dust, see pink UP from my position, I run left, and look whos running past me dazzle, confirming my suspicious that he was still after me since roshan and ahead of pink trying to gank me. Pure luck of the moment dust. If you follow that mindset since roshan and place yourself in my shoes, you will see that is exactly how it happened with me getting lucky. That is the only time in this entire game where you could have true suspicion of me maphacking, unless if you don't watch replay and place yourself again in my shoes to see why I did that. I can't explain it anymore than what I already said of putting yourself in my moment of situation and doing what I did using all the steps before hand of assuming that brown was still following me ahead of pink.
To further prove my innocence, if you fast-forward to 17:57 game timer, you will see before hand that me and yellow was chasing axe (gray in chem form), where at 17:57 I'm trying to anticipate where gray would run and run towards shops, where he jukes me the entire time and turns back around by bottom trees towards yellow, where I then finally run down toward him and kill him.
There really is nothing more I can say about this game. You just need to watch this replay with my post as a guide as everything happens so you see my mindset of actions I take. I would even like to request to have a fresh admin review this replay. And in the end if you see that I'm not maphacking as accused of, I would like the head admin to please review with the others that they need to be way more sure of saying someone is a maphacker before accusing them of it. Because I seriously shouldn't have to be defending myself right now and explaining my actions if they did their job more carefully and less bias instead of immediately assuming. This is dota and there's only so much you can do before everything ppl do may look like maphack. You can even search my name on ent stats history of games and look at any of my replays, and see i'm ganked a billion times, run through each replay with maphack fog clicker detector and see that I never maphack or use any cheats and never will. Again, thank you for your time and please review.
Oh and to NutzSuckHard PS: to answer your question, its in forum post 'Guide to Detecting a Maphacker', STEP 4.

[QTriNitY]

If you were not map hacking,
1. you would not have predusted Dazzle.
2. after the predust on Dazzle, you should engage him.
3. you couldn't have juked an Invis Dazzle so well.

The only acceptable game play is predust and head right back to base or hug Mid Tier 2 tower or engage Dazzle which most likely get yourself killed.

[Chaos_Sniper]

1. If you read my post you would see why. Again you are not putting yourself into the players shoes where all of them are off vision of my minimap, about 3 of them gone from roshan after chasing me, so yeah I had a feeling if pink was still following me I was probably about to be ganked with brown's ww following me somewhere.
2. No, I wouldn't engage him as I said if I saw pink a few times from limited vision and with the rest of them off my minimap vision probably about to get ganked soon (we had lost map control).
3. I didn't even Juke dazzle AT all, if you slow down replay as I said and take fog of war off, you will see me and dazzle run side by side from middle creep transition kill to forest, if I maphacked I would have dusted then and there and killed him when he was literally 1 foot next to my ass. No, I hardly "juked him so well" when all I did was run down, run back up to dust for my suspicion. You make like I ran circles around him with by those trees, I literally run 2 directions (down, then up) before going left after I dusted.

[Yondaime]

Ultimately I cannot come to a decision but I am leaning towards mh like Qtrinity said so I am about to proceed to ban you for one year UNLESS, and I mean unless you fess up now and say yes I mhed and sorry i lied then I will reconsider how long I will ban you for.

[Chaos_Sniper]

The sad part is that I truly have never maphacked. I'm really done trying to fight my defense after having explained step by step. It seems both you admins are not even a serious Dota LoD player to not have understand the player mindset of said moments in game during the game play. Not to mention, I describe step by step all the other instances in game where I was accused and it seems like both of you have completely ignored those posts that proves my innocence. I'll just send a message to head admin to further appeal my defense. Also on a side note if I maphacked, I honestly wouldn't even care and just change my ip address or ip hide it and move on with life.

[aRt)Y]

Also on a side note if I maphacked, I honestly wouldn't even care and just change my ip address or ip hide it and move on with life.

That's a bad argument because qtrinity would unban you if you appeal for maphack.
So I suggest: Get banned for maphack, appeal it and feel free to play.

Serious note: Gonna review the case today. We shouldn't be too hasty with the judgement.

[Yondaime]

I work today for 5 hours, art)y ive reviewed it several times but ultimately my decision is mh.