[DOTA] gankofamerica@useast, diamondsandrust@useast, elemental@useast

[nitromon]

Replay Link: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 690163.w3g
Game Name: [ENT] DotA arem us/ca #73
Your Warcraft III Username: MAGA2016@uswest
Violator's Warcraft III Username: gankofamerica@useast, diamondsandrust@useast, elemental@useast
Violated Rule(s): Votekick abuse, pausing the game
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): 21:03, 23:50, 28:30, 30:21, 46:35
Any further thoughts:

Hi,

I rarely rarely rarely ever post ban requests b/c I'm quite a forgiving guy. I warned these people on many occasions not to abuse the pause and votekick system but they just kept going at it. I eventually ended up ignoring them and even won the game for them. However, these kids need an attitude check, so I'm posting this ban request.

They sucked and they fed early on and of course started looking for blames. These 3 are friends, so naturally I'm the scapegoat. They complained b/c I went with the Bear Only Build for Sylla. They haven't even seen me in action and started abusing the votekick system. I'm quite surprised they have never seen it, it is not that new and I didn't invent it. In 6.81 Sylla's bear doesn't have mana, players were required to get a ptbooster for this build. In 6.83 Sylla's bear has been given mana b/c so many players want to use mana items on him.

I can play Sylla in all 3 builds - Sylla only, bear only, or Duo combo. I choose the build base on the game. This game my teammates didn't choose a support hero. They all think they're badasses and picked hero killers, except Abba the tank. Even Pink admitted in the chat that we picked bad heroes. (I should mention they voted for RDEM in the channel, so this was not an AREM game) Naturally the sentinels with their support heroes crushed us early, we lost towers early and couldn't get a single tower ourselves.

The bear only build was natural for this game b/c even Duo combo build in this match up early without real items and support heroes will just die and feed like the rest of them did. Bear only build allowed me to do one thing they cannot, push. I controlled the lanes, pushed the creeps, and forced the opposing team to keep up with me and defend instead of push, giving my team room to breathe, farm, and even set up ganks. You can clearly see the momentum of the game change when I got my radiance and did my thing. The Sents were on the verge of raxing our bot at the 20 min mark and I turned the game around.

And their reaction? Continuing votekick abuse even when it was clearly evident that I was winning the game for them. I was receiving praises from the opposing team, Sentinels, and this angered my team even more.

[Sentinels Chat]
(44:19 / All) 110hurdles: bear just won y'all the game
...
(49:57 / All) uaintboutatlife: thug life
(50:00 / All) uaintboutatlife: brown ftw

I was actually going to let this go b/c we were going to win the game. But the 46 min mark votekick abuse left me with very little recourse. I'm posting this ban request because they need an attitude adjustment. Of course if I am wrong and playing Sylla this way is not allowed, then I apologize and I will take the ban for breaking the rule. I have played this mode before, my best game is with my account Ped0bear, where I went 16-4 and carried my team. In this game, my final score is 7-1-14.

Thank you

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I posted the times of the votekick from the chat. They also abused the pause. I'm pretty sure DG is also one of their friends, but he was mostly quiet, so I didn't include him. I'm a fair guy. I think I read in the ban forum votekick abuse is 3 days. But I think these kids deserve something a little more severe for their rotten abusive and toxic attitude. Let's clean up the DOTA community.

Thank you.

[OptimusPrime]

@Maga As much as these players also annoy me to no end unfortunately playing Sylla the way you did is a bannable offence. As you can see you wound up level 12 because you never left base to actually level your hero up. Going that build is fine but you have to make some type of effort to actually level your hero up so you can be of more use. Get obs up in forest and just level up with your hero while using your bear as you normally would. That's my 2 cents.

[Sylvanas]

I have nothing but contempt for that kdr padding fountain "strat". I think you should be more grateful for your team having to deal with 4v5 (4½?) for you that whole time instead of giving yourself all credit for winning because of how awesome you think you are for deciding to sit in fountain all game and only using your bear. What's not to say a regular sylla that uses hero and bear and is therefore able to attack and take down towers wouldn't have made for better team fights and a smoother, quicker win? Why win despite a series of bad team fights when you can just make those team fights not suck instead?

Having sylla sit at fountain all the time for quickly tping in and out is definitely useful, but I find that playing and attitude trashy as hell. I would have votekicked you too, in fact I want to play a game with you right now just to votekick you.

[OptimusPrime]

@nitromon As much as these players also annoy me to no end unfortunately playing Sylla the way you did is a bannable offence. As you can see you wound up level 12 because you never left base to actually level your hero up. Going that build is fine but you have to make some type of effort to actually level your hero up so you can be of more use. Get obs up in forest and just level up with your hero while using your bear as you normally would. That's my 2 cents.

[nitromon]

@Maga As much as these players also annoy me to no end unfortunately playing Sylla the way you did is a bannable offence. As you can see you wound up level 12 because you never left base to actually level your hero up. Going that build is fine but you have to make some type of effort to actually level your hero up so you can be of more use. Get obs up in forest and just level up with your hero while using your bear as you normally would. That's my 2 cents.

I appreciate your opinion, however it is not factually based. If you actually watched the replay, you can see clearly I won the game. Even the Sentinels credited me for the win.

Level is not always a priority, a big example would be Techies who can own the whole game without going to high levels. Techies' best ability is his stun wards. When used appropriately and early, it dominates and controls the map.

Also, "if" playing Sylla this way is "bannable," then please refer me to the actual page where it said it is bannable. I've read the rules on the site, both the general rules and the rules for DOTA, and there is no basis for banning different playing styles. This goes the same for Arc Warden rapier build, Furion/Tinker/Geo using BoT and dominating lanes and tping out, never confronting the enemy. Etc...

Having a different strategy is not breaking any rules and in fact, it encourges people to think outside the box and make it more challenging.

[nitromon]

I have nothing but contempt for that kdr padding fountain "strat". I think you should be more grateful for your team having to deal with 4v5 (4½?) for you that whole time instead of giving yourself all credit for winning because of how awesome you think you are for deciding to sit in fountain all game and only using your bear.

First of all, check my stats. I definitely am not "padding" anything.

Secondly, did you actually watch the replay? I know there are a lot of people who hate facing these kind of strategies, but that is only because they don't think outside the box and try to come up with different strategies. 99% of the DOTA players on here build their heroes exactly the same without a moment of thought or why they should vary the strategy base on games.

For example, why is it that I've seen people pick Axe and Earthshaker to counter Geo, yet I have never met anyone who bothers to pick Wyvern? Both Axe and ES can only counter Geo to midgame before both of them become absolutely obsolete. However, a Wyvern can counter a Geo all the way into late game. If anything, the strong the geo, the easier Wyvern can counter him. I can think of at least 2 instances where I have sucessfully defeated pro-Geos with Wyvern.

Gotta learn to think outside the box, kiddies.

[blugok]

You're pretty set in your opinion, which is pretty terrible. You "winning" the game for them has less to do with you, and more to do with your team holding off the opponents so that you could farm. Which is fine, assuming you could at least farm well or be of some use while farming, etc.

I could easily see how people would assume you're trolling, because you're doing something that's ultimately inferior to using your hero and bear. Please refer me to any pro that does a "bear only" build.

So while I don't think you should be banned, since you were just being a moron, they shouldn't be banned either since its easy to assume you're trolling.

[nitromon]

Speaking of Axe,

I just recently started playing Axe, I think I played only 2-3 games. The reason I chose to play him is because I got so tired of watching the same Axe strategy from all these clone players. I mean, come on, we all know the build... VG + BM + BLINK + HEART and then maybe a Mjornir, right?

In most context that would be suffice b/c of early kills and pushes in which your team would be so far ahead in gold and level that you can win comfortably. However, when facing opponents who are formidable, these kind of builds are dead 30 min into the game. I called it so many times in my games when having an Axe ally, "better win in 30 mins or our axe will become useless."

I don't mind sharing my strategies b/c to be honest, 99% of the people reading it will disagree right away and never bother to try it. The ultimate tankers in the game, such as Skeleton King and even PA relies on lifeleech, crit, and IAS. If you want your Axe to last into lategame, you need to go Satanic + Crit + at least 1 IAS item such as butterfly or cuirass, depending on your opponents. A BM is only good to counter casters, but against DPS that is 2,000 gold you can spend to further your lategame Axe. I don't cut lanes, I just play like a normal hero. I skip the VG, go directly for helm. Helm + Str tread + Ring of Aquila gives him more than enough tank than a vg. Axe is naturally strong early, item builds will determine his longivity in a game.

[nitromon]

You're pretty set in your opinion, which is pretty terrible. You "winning" the game for them has less to do with you, and more to do with your team holding off the opponents so that you could farm. Which is fine, assuming you could at least farm well or be of some use while farming, etc.

I could easily see how people would assume you're trolling, because you're doing something that's ultimately inferior to using your hero and bear. Please refer me to any pro that does a "bear only" build.

So while I don't think you should be banned, since you were just being a moron, they shouldn't be banned either since its easy to assume you're trolling.

Did you actually watch the replay? Game was over at the 20 min mark. They were ready to rax bot. We had no answer for them with the Dusa + Infernal combo alone. Our team went 0 support, all our carries are "lategame" carries. Sentinels were betting on an early finish and almost got it. I finished my radiance just in time to turn the game.

Had I gone Duo bear build, I would be going what? Tread for bear, vlad, etc... maybe a hyperstone for the bear, armor for my hero on the way to build a cuirass at the 20 min mark? They would've eaten me alive like they did to my teammates.

Being a moron won the game for my team. Again, even the Sents acknowledged this. I didn't tell them to, they praised me. So please watch the replay before you insult people.

[nitromon]

Thank you for your opinions, everyone. However, don't deviate from the purpose of the ban.

They abused the pause and votekick system at least 5 times. That is bannable no matter what.

[Sylvanas]

I have nothing but contempt for that kdr padding fountain "strat". I think you should be more grateful for your team having to deal with 4v5 (4½?) for you that whole time instead of giving yourself all credit for winning because of how awesome you think you are for deciding to sit in fountain all game and only using your bear.

First of all, check my stats. I definitely am not "padding" anything.

Secondly, did you actually watch the replay? I know there are a lot of people who hate facing these kind of strategies, but that is only because they don't think outside the box and try to come up with different strategies. 99% of the DOTA players on here build their heroes exactly the same without a moment of thought or why they should vary the strategy base on games.

For example, why is it that I've seen people pick Axe and Earthshaker to counter Geo, yet I have never met anyone who bothers to pick Wyvern? Both Axe and ES can only counter Geo to midgame before both of them become absolutely obsolete. However, a Wyvern can counter a Geo all the way into late game. If anything, the strong the geo, the easier Wyvern can counter him. I can think of at least 2 instances where I have sucessfully defeated pro-Geos with Wyvern.

Gotta learn to think outside the box, kiddies.

Who cares? I don't even play pick so for me the world doesn't revolve around dumbass Meepo. When did this become about him anyway? Don't flatter yourself, using bear alone because your primary concern is not to die while being able to get kills is nothing new to anyone. Not sure what your stats have to do with this, ultimately the goal is to improve them at the expense of your team.

[nitromon]

Who cares? I don't even play pick so for me the world doesn't revolve around dumbass Meepo. When did this become about him anyway? Don't flatter yourself, using bear alone because your primary concern is not to die while being able to get kills is nothing new. Not sure what your stats have to do with this, ultimately the goal is to improve them at the expense of your team.

The point is, like most people, you cannot think outside the box and you really do not understand the fundamental of this game. It is really a shame that DOTA league games moved to Dota 2, b/c a lot of you kids really need a lesson in the fundamentals. High levels don't guarantee a win. In most cases actually, "item knowledge" wins the game. This is the flaw of most players. They may be quicker than me, but many of them fail to build their heroes correctly and loses lategame.

Also, another point you missed. You accuse me of "padding" stats, where my stats are not any where spectacular. It actually is quite average. I don't pad my stats nor do I care about elo. I play for fun. I've been playing DOTA for 14 years, I've done it all. It is just about having fun now. Played league. Played clan wars. Had my 1800 elo on Dotacash. Who cares?

[FalenGa]

Locked.

[BeerLord]

Your strategy is not allowed on ENT. You may search the forums for the discussion about this if you would like. It is considered ban-worthy. Since we in general do not ban original posters of a thread, and I believe you were unaware of this (despite your ingame claim to be aware of the rules), I am just letting you know for future reference. Since the strategy is outlawed, the votekicks are not considered to be abusive.

You are clearly a knowledgeable and talented player. Should you wish to debate the point about why or why not with respect to this strategy you can start a thread in suggestions.
Denied.

[Merex]

Would first like to remind anyone who doesn't know - This strategy, even though may be frowned upon by some due to it's nature, is allowed on ENT. If you'd like for that to change, feel free to suggest it. For future reference, if anything specifically involving DotA and it's game-play are forbidden by the ENT staff such as strategy and etc. It'll be posted on our wiki.

Moving forward with this ban request -
Pink & LB banned.
Didn't see grey initiate/pause anything.