[LTD] Velzu@europe.battle.net

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[LTD] Velzu@europe.battle.net

Postby Badtown » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:42 am

Replay Link: https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=9462523
Game Name: [ENT] Legion TD Mega #52
Your Warcraft III Username: NoCrossJustBoss@useast.battle.net
Violator's Warcraft III Username: Velzu@europe.battle.net
Violated MULTIPLE Rule(s): 1) FF Abuse 2) Intentional TK
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): 1) (03:58 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: [velzu] has voted to forfeit.
(03:58 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: 1/4 players on the Scourge/East have voted to forfeit (3/4 needed to pass).
2) At 20 minutes ++ Player refuses to push with the team, even tho asked multiple times by all teammates. From level 10 all the way until the end of the game, Velzu stays 7/2 in an attempt to TK us end-game. I don't believe he sent with the team on our final send to end the game either[41:30], because HE wanted to send 17.. All around terror to play with.
Any further thoughts: Velzu has a lot of games played on ENT LTD, he knows exactly what he was doing trying to tk us. I made a few comments about him throwing a tantrum, but never crossed the line to flame him. I believe what initially triggered him was informing him he was breaking the rules with !ff abuse.
After, he is trying to argue that I solo sent. You can check to see that yellow, pink, and I all sent together on round 3 and so then Velzu also did. No matter which call was the right one to make in the situation, Velzu decided to ruin the rest of the game over that one early decision.

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Re: [LTD] Velzu@europe.battle.net

Postby Velz » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:41 am

Oh lord, you really posted this fakeshow of a ban request. I'm pretty sure that when admin reads the whole chat log, the only one who will be banned is you.

First of all, let me give my version of the game. For easier referances, OP is orange and I'm green. The game started out with pink miss clicking king hp. Since we are not able to pull off a decent send any of the 3 first levels, I suggest that we save straight to 7. I get met by orange commenting my suggestion "thats stupid AF". Goes on to promote himself to shotcaller, and sends level 3. I then type the !ff vote since we have 1 guy clearly not communicating and listening to his team. I obviously follow his call on lvl 3 send, altho strongly disagreeing. No king leaks like expected. Next few levels and throughtout the game until he went silent, I receive insults from this guy, aswell as getting threatened to get banned for "forfeit abusing". Hello? When we have 1 guy not coproating with team and doing solo sends, solo upgs, the !ff vote is more than fine imo. On level 5, when we see king spell shockwave, he goes on to upgrade king, AGAIN without consulting with the team. By now I'm starting to get really frustrated on his behavior.

After level 10, I get told that I'm teamkiller cause I stay 7/2. I sent with my team always and I leaked 2 levels the WHOLE game. That was lvl 3 and lvl 7 through hard sends. When they sent 13, I hold the full wave, except 1 warlock or gargoyle, and we survive easily. And then guess what... Orange solo send 14. AGAIIN without consulting with his team. I mean, who would even send 14 when enemy team sent 13??? And they have lots of fortified armor and no siege dmg. Now even yellow is joining the chat and agreeing with me on orange and his solo sends. And we dont hear a word more from orange again, until now.

I mean 1 guy solo sends without consulting with his team 3 times in a single game, while insulting his team mate and then calling out bans multiple times as if hes an admin. Goes on to post a topic on the forum and reasons it with my ammount of lumber researches! Just insane!

If there is something I did wrong, it's the "ff abuse", after I notice that orange is a solo sender. I did it just once and I didnt even know that this was a rule, so I won't do it again. But calling me teamkiller when I hold every level except 3 and 7 where i leak 1/3 of the wave? Not a chance. It's not bannable offense staying 7/2 if I want to. I probably could have upped more lumber, but I simply didn't want to. Then again I would leak big on 13 and it would likely cost us more heals. So no way on the teamkilling.

Additionally, he was playing on an account with 2 games played and from his behavior in the game, hes definitely not new. So I smell an attempt of ban dodging here. I would take a look at that aswell.

Is it considered spam if I create a counter ban request for this guy, or is this post sufficient?

-Velzu
Last edited by Velz on Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:20 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: [LTD] Velzu@europe.battle.net

Postby Badtown » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:12 am

Please do review the chat log, as well as action log. Thank you for your time.

For 3
(00:58 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: go 3

For upping King
(08:36 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: we have shockwave
*yellow and pink are also upping at this point*
(08:44 / Allied) chillin: king

For 14
(25:45 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: When do you want to send?
(25:57 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: yellow and pink
(26:03 / Allied) lkkjhlrjklkhkjl: 14 or 15
(26:09 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: 14
(26:11 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: with greens push
*here, pink sends at the very start of round 13 even though the enemy has sent vs. us. Yellow's response is to continue sending @27:53, so we full send
(27:14 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: pls
(27:19 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: i dont want to risk it with the troll
(27:36 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: send next level
(27:43 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: wait they sent
(27:53 / Allied) chillin: smh
(27:56 / Allied) chillin: now we gotta go

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Re: [LTD] Velzu@europe.battle.net

Postby Velz » Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:11 am

I just did, and if you succeed on convincing anyone here that you're not a solo sender, then you're a really good liar.

For 3, you sent SOLO with a long time left of lvl 2, without ANYONE agreeing with you and myself suggesting something a whole lot different than your suggestion.

For 5, you started upping king BEFORE anyone said anything. Yellow and pink upping king at that point is a LIE. You were the first guy to start upping, before anyone said anything.

For 14, I obviously don't have a say in the discussion on when to send as you have ignored me. Forgot that? Now there is just 2 people to convince on your mad calls, since I can't see or hear anything you say.
If you're seriously trying to say that the lvl 14 send wasn't your making, then get out of here dude. Yellow and pink didn't have a say in it. They simply got offered 2 choices by you. 14 or 15. WhiIe I got offered none, cause I couldnt see it. If I would have known that you are discussing when to send behind my back, I would have yelled out what a terrible idea it is. And you probably knew it. Basicly you just have to get one of them to send, and you have suceeded your shotcalling. Your ego is so lame that I'm almost out of words.

Let it be said that the only reason we won is because the enemy team had 2 people with 10% win rate in 30-40 games and one guy went from 7-2 to 7-13 with less than recommended value during lvl 10-20.

If we were playing vs decent people (no offense) the only teamkiller here would be you with your solo sends, let alone your insults and pretending to be an admin; saying 7 or 8 times during the game that I will be banned right after the game is over.

Now I would appreciate if you don't reply anymore. I don't wanna spend more time talking with you. I'm simply just defending my case and counter-requesting a ban for you.

-Velzu

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Re: [LTD] Velzu@europe.battle.net

Postby Badtown » Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:43 am

The !ignore being so that I didn't have to keep hearing him cry.. after..
(03:36 / Allied) velzu: jesus
(03:40 / Allied) velzu: this is noob tactic
(03:42 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: ...
(03:49 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: saving 7 is dumb af
(03:54 / Allied) velzu: we have 1-1 score making calls
(03:55 / Allied) velzu: gg
(03:58 / Allied) velzu: !ff

(08:34 / Allied) velzu: TELL ME
(08:36 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: we have shockwave
(08:37 / Allied) velzu: who made u shotcaller????

(09:00 / Allied) velzu: fk off
(09:07 / Allied) chillin: \what just happened
(09:15 / Allied) lkkjhlrjklkhkjl: Jesus fucking christ, grow up children. It's a video game.
(09:19 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: he's throwing a fit
(09:20 / Allied) chillin: -info 6
(09:28 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: because we didnt send full on r3
(09:34 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: the entire game is over and his life is ruined
(09:34 / Allied) lkkjhlrjklkhkjl: I
(09:36 / Allied) lkkjhlrjklkhkjl: Do
(09:37 / Allied) lkkjhlrjklkhkjl: Not
(09:37 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: because pink upped hp
(09:38 / Allied) lkkjhlrjklkhkjl: Care
(09:40 / Allied) velzu: the entire game is ruined yea
(09:49 / Allied) velzu: u said saving 7 is dumb af
(09:52 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: -king
(09:54 / Allied) velzu: and u make calls
(09:57 / Allied) 1ncompetence: -king
(09:58 / Allied) velzu: as if everyone agreeswith you

(11:19 / Allied) velzu: no the fact that he makes decisions alone
(11:22 / Allied) velzu: without confronting the team
(11:26 / Allied) velzu: i fkn hate people like this
(11:33 / Allied) velzu: go play fucking 1v1
(11:33 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: pls tell me more
(11:42 / Allied) lkkjhlrjklkhkjl: Seriously?
(11:44 / Allied) lkkjhlrjklkhkjl: Still?
(11:47 / Allied) lkkjhlrjklkhkjl: Just move on./
(12:33 / Allied) velzu: After pink missclick, I'm simply trying to make the best out of the situation
(12:38 / Allied) velzu: gets responded with "no, thats dumb AF"
(12:50 / Allied) velzu: and do solo actions

(14:16 / Allied) velzu: Just vk me pls

(20:14 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: green push
(20:20 / Allied) velzu: fk off
(20:27 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: ok now tking
(20:30 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: even longer ban
(20:30 / Allied) chillin: push
(20:31 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: good shit
(20:32 / Allied) velzu: u dont listen to me, i dont listen to u
(20:36 / Allied) Berserker: idi0t
(20:37 / Allied) velzu: this is not tk, this is my style of playing
(20:38 / Allied) chillin: tf green
(20:44 / Allied) chillin: your sabtoging the ga,me
(20:44 / Allied) chillin: your sabtoging the ga,me
(20:47 / Allied) lkkjhlrjklkhkjl: Ya... You're blatantly teamkilling
(20:59 / Allied) chillin: your teamkilling over one decision
(21:05 / Allied) chillin: on you fucken kiddn me
(21:11 / Allied) chillin: you should be banned
It was just so unnecessary to dwell on it for the next 40 minutes of gameplay... jeez man.

I do admit I should have never said these things:
(22:19 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: Green is one of those kids that fell down on the floor and broke shit when his mommy wouldn't take him to dairy queen
(22:27 / Allied) Dewline: y
(22:32 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: now he just sits in his basement all day eating popsicles playing LTD
(22:35 / Allied) velzu: This is your best insult?
(22:38 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: guess he's going to have to find a new hobby for the next week
If that is flaming, so be it. I understand.

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Re: [LTD] Velzu@europe.battle.net

Postby Velz » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:34 am

Did I not kindly ask you not to reply anymore? However, I guess you failed to add a couple of messages. As I see it, your behavior is not exactly well mannered, insulting and constantly threatening to ban me/getting me banned after the game. And your stunt on ~25 min mark to ignore me to leave me out of the tactic talk is not exactly favoring the team either. I didn't even say anything toxic to justify the !ignore.


(04:03 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: welcome to the banlist
(04:06 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: for ff abuse
(04:08 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: gj raging

(08:41 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: idgaf what you do
(08:57 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: You're already banned
(08:58 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: gl

(13:00 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: Listen man, you're not getting out of the ban
(13:03 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: ff abuse is clear cut
(13:04 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: you can talk all day
(13:06 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: save it for the forums

(20:14 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: green push
(20:27 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: ok now tking
(20:30 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: even longer ban

(21:26 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: I'm pretty sure it will be atleast a week's ban at this point

(22:19 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: Green is one of those kids that fell down on the floor and broke shit when his mommy wouldn't take him to dairy queen
(22:32 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: now he just sits in his basement all day eating popsicles playing LTD
(22:38 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: guess he's going to have to find a new hobby for the next week

(23:51 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: You're very upset
(23:53 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: We know
(23:59 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: Your tantrum is pathetic tho

(25:42 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: !ignore velzu
(25:45 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: When do you want to send?
(25:57 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: yellow and pink

(43:02 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: if you guys have forum accounts, the ban will be posted in less than 5 minutes after game.





Btw, I just entered the replay of the last game you played. [ENT] Legion TD Mega #84. Guess what i found? You trying to votekick abuse a new player and threatening to ban him multiple times for not lumbering above 7/1. And again not exactly well mannered language towards a new player. Proceeds to also threaten enemy team if they dont vote for this kick abuse on a new player. Looks like this is an ongoing issue you have, feeling the urge to take control and flame everyone you dont like. And I wonder what i will find, if I search up games on your main account Badtown. I strongly advise you to see someone who can help you, cause this behavior is not healthy for you, nor anyone around you.


(25:16 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: PUSH LUMBER
(25:16 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: TEAL
(25:21 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: go more now
(25:22 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: its good
(25:26 / Allied) Giu.Brother: 12 17?
(25:26 / Allied) Cannon: balistas on 12 always seems to work well
(25:29 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: more lumber teal
(25:31 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: 12 17
(25:31 / Allied) Lisek: send 15
(25:33 / Allied) MaxwelI: only choice really
(25:34 / Allied) Cannon: kk
(25:36 / Allied) MaxwelI: go
(25:44 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: TEAL UPGRADE LUMBER AT TOWN HALL
(25:45 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: AND SEND
(26:20 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: oh man i hate you so much
(26:24 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: you would be fine if you listen
(26:26 / Allied) andreis: pink u should build on green
(26:27 / Allied) MaxwelI: he sends garg
(26:28 / Allied) andreis: merge
(26:30 / Allied) MaxwelI: we should kick him really
(26:34 / Allied) MaxwelI: no listen
(26:39 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: !votekick [lrv
(26:39 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: A votekick against player [[LRV]SqUaChZz] has been started by player [NoCrossJustBoss]. 5 votes are needed within 60 seconds to
(26:39 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: Type !yes to vote.
(26:39 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: ** Note: !votekick should only be used to kick players breaking a rule. You should not votekick players new to the game!
(26:42 / Allied) MaxwelI: !yes
(26:42 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: Player [MaxwelI] voted to kick player [[LRV]SqUaChZz]. 4 more votes are needed to pass.
(26:43 / All) Giu.Brother: !yes
(26:43 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: Player [Giu.Brother] voted to kick player [[LRV]SqUaChZz]. 3 more votes are needed to pass.
(26:46 / All) andreis: ?
(26:50 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: solo sends and still no ups
(26:50 / All) [LRV]SqUaChZz: ?
(26:52 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: 7/1
(26:56 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: pls he's tking us hard
(27:08 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: not voting is bannable
(27:14 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: all of us want it and agree
(27:20 / All) MaxwelI: not asking for draw
(27:21 / All) andreis: i didnt get solo send
(27:22 / All) MaxwelI: just kick
(27:25 / All) Cannon: whats the reason?
(27:31 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: you saw him 7/0 at arena
(27:35 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: pls stop trolling
(27:37 / Allied) Cannon: !yes
(27:37 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: Player [Cannon] voted to kick player [[LRV]SqUaChZz]. 2 more votes are needed to pass.
(27:38 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: A votekick against player [[LRV]SqUaChZz] has expired.
(27:38 / All) MaxwelI: no cooperate and tk
(27:42 / All) [LRV]SqUaChZz: --"
(27:43 / All) andreis: i sw 7 1
(27:53 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: yeah he is still 7/1
(27:56 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: wtf is your deal
(28:12 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: !votekick [lrv

(30:54 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: enjoy your ban
(31:05 / All) andreis: i said ok vk
(31:11 / All) andreis: u get it?
(31:17 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: We're not vking right before your send
(31:21 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: you had the chance
(31:29 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: Chat log will show you're full of shit
(31:33 / All) Mordecai6245: I was going to vote but it expired. And you guys didn't start it up again
(31:34 / All) andreis: u had the chance not us
(31:34 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: So enjoy your ban
(31:45 / All) andreis: u talk trash
(31:51 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: facts
(31:53 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: dont get mad
(31:57 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: find something else to do for a day
(33:57 / All) NoCrossJustBoss: check the forum you'll be on there <3



Now I would strongly appreciate if you dont reply again, as I have spent more than enough time on you. Let's just leave it up to the admins to judge if our behaviors are worthy of the ENT community or not. All the required info is already there.


-Velzu.

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Re: [LTD] Velzu@europe.battle.net

Postby oneofhim » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:40 am

I suggest to warn or ban NoCrossJustBoss for lying about ent-rules (you cannot ff abuse with just a single Player... i would consider this a verbal troll)

(13:00 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: Listen man, you're not getting out of the ban
(13:03 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: ff abuse is clear cut
(13:04 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: you can talk all day
(13:06 / Allied) NoCrossJustBoss: save it for the Forums

How can you even abuse ff if you dont have premades?

Is it considered spam if I create a counter ban request for this guy, or is this post sufficient?

You should open a seperate thread


About that 7/2 Thing... People with experience should know that staying 7/2 is basically asking to lose the game. Dunno if you are just bad or if it was intentional. Up to mods :D

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Re: [LTD] Velzu@europe.battle.net

Postby Badtown » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:59 pm

I appreciate your input however trying to Forfeit or vote kicked at any time without reason is abuse. This is why I told him he would be reported. I still believe it is abuse. As for digging into my account clearly that next game every teammate on my team wanted to kick the player refusing to listen to any of us or co-operate with any of us. At first I defended the new player when he messed up sends, then later realized he just wasn't going to co-operate. After we(as a team) decided to try VK, the new player began to co-operate and listen. I don't see any need to defend this further. This is not considered votekick abuse, that is one of the reasons it is there. And just so you can see where Velzu dug this accusation up: https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=9462800

Back to THIS topic..

I did not make up any rule.
*Any form of votekick and !ff abuse..
*Do not spam or randomly start !votekicks
By all means investigate away. It would be helpful to Lock This Thread or resolve the issue as these replies are going back and forth with no new pertinent information.

oneofhim wrote:About that 7/2 Thing... People with experience should know that staying 7/2 is basically asking to lose the game. Dunno if you are just bad or if it was intentional. Up to mods :D


Sounds like his friend. Obviously it was intentional. You can look at the dialogue, I'm pretty sure Velzu's goal was to get us to votekick him because he did not want to participate with us.

@Velzu . For someone who did nothing wrong, you sure are trying like hell to make a case.

I wouldn't have even bothered with this if I were guilty of solo-sending. Clearly 3 players in this game were trying to play as a team, where-as one was not.

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Re: [LTD] Velzu@europe.battle.net

Postby bezdak » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:52 pm

Locking topic until review.
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Re: [LTD] Velzu@europe.battle.net

Postby Jabba41 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:58 am

@velz Please cooperate with your team, you didnt send in the end. I undeerstand there might have been some communication issues. @badtown even if you ignore someone maybe take some effort into letting him know when to send.

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