[LTD] aruil@europe.battle.net

[archol]

Replay Link: https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=11285644
Game Name: [ENT] Legion TD Mega 1200+ #40
Your Warcraft III Username: archol
Violator's Warcraft III Username: aruil@europe.battle.net
Violated Rule(s): Flaming/insulting, ragequit, leaving us 3 vs 4
Time of Violation (in-game or replay):
Any further thoughts: He was highly agressive at start of level 4 (i was semi afk), where he attacked yellow already a bit - afterwards we had wave and 2 holders for 7, and i decided to send 7, team followed - he highly disagreed - the enemy send was quite big (140 total units), thus we leaked and lost 4 heals (they had immo), but game was not over - as they had a dead lane and we were good for anti 15, yet he decided to ragequit including insulting us really badly - even pink who had nothing to do with it.

Im asking at least a few week bans, as hes only playing every week for few days - and i checked the processed, and he didnt get banned once either as autoban did it ...

[Dimitrij1606]

Let's dissect this game from my (Aruil) point of view - Your decision making nearly cost us heal on 4 and killed us level 7, when I left.

You called sending level 2, when they sent warriors on 1, meaning that they would be good for a resend one level later. A questionable decision, but I ran with it.

On 4, I was the only one who held and I played turrets, a damn yolo unit (while still having a push that's one LJ upgrade lower than pink, who had aqua and leaked). A decision to up the king was made moments before creeps reached him, and yellow had control over him for whatever reason, even though he said he stated (When he actually didn't) that he doesn't want to control the king. My "aggression" appeared when he nearly burned a heal on 4 with TKKC without shift clicking. Furthermore, he built one bear and a bunch of sentries in the back, when he was supposed to be our 7 holder.

Now, lvl 7 is my favorite, because I kept saying that our king is low, that we have no holder and that we will likely die if we full send, yet you kept insisting on that full send, which, as I said many, many times over, killed us. That "full send" wasn't unfortunate, it was predictable and you are just a shitty leader. Now, I got a 48h ban. The reason I'm playing 1.2k+ games for a few days a week is because the rest of the time I keep playing in MEGA, trying to earn back the points I keep losing because of players like you. So you see, as far as my behavior goes, I'm more than justified in the reactions I had. Anyone would react the same when that was to be yet again their last game in 1.2k games because there are players who play worse than MEGA players. Any single person that watches that replay, please, I'm begging you, watch my side of the game. I was literally the only one on my team that was actually balanced in the way they played their game.

All that said, I did rage quit. That's exactly why I got 48h ban. I made this decision precisely because I needed to cool off a couple of days and from this point forward, I vouch to employ LTDMEGAnoob's strategy and start dodging and stacking in order to play a proper game, because otherwise, I'll simply get more enraged when the reason I came to play this game was exact opposite in the first place. As far as you go archol, please learn to play properly and stop trying to be a team leader unless you are actually competent of doing it. And rolders, mate, if you are reading this, you have guides. Go read them.

As far as Kali- goes, I hold a grudge for him for a significant period of time because he always acts the same, he stays quiet throughout the game without doing saying a single thing, and the only thing he said to me was that "I cost him previous game, so I should shut up" meaning that anything I said held no merit, even though everything happened exactly as I said it would. Still, in rereading the chat, I at no point insulted him specifically. I insulted that entire team and for a very good reason.

So, with stating all that I had to state, I'll leave the rest to mods. I ask them not to ban me any longer than I am already but I am prepared to suffer the consequences of my actions. This isn't something that has happened the first time and circumstances were the same every time. All I want, literally the entirety of what I want, is that I have a proper game with the decent team. I am an average player myself, never said I was anything else for as long as I've been playing this game.

[archol]

If you wanna play serious and avoid teamkilling, you can apply for LIHL as there are by far less teamkills than in 1200, i hope you get accepted to ease your pain you wrote.

1) I told that Rolders or someone should take king, as im busy with something else and i couldnt concentrate fully on the game. That you blame him afterwards for his king control is not nice either, as he couldnt do it better - no need to be agressive over this, except you could do it better, then just take king.

2) Well im disappointed that you still insult me in the topic- they were lucky with immo in the end and if you watch all my LIHL or 1200 replays i literally take command at most of the games and we win regardless most of the games - sometimes there are risks. Maybe i did bad in this game, as i didnt concentrate fully on this game - but whatever, doesnt give you the right to insult the whole team (as they followed my call only) and then ragequit. Most players follow me without discussion in 1200 - players up to 2k too, as they think i im right regardless as i just want the best for the team, ofc course im not perfect either - but do you think i play like a troll to lose on purpose? I do it sometimes yes (building ygg at front or massing geomancer), but if someone wants to win that badly - they usually tell me and i play serious

3) So what if players play bad? Is this a pro league? You can expect it in LIHL, but not in 1200 or Mega. I even teached a few players how to build in 4-5 games today (1500 elo players up to 1900), who didnt even know what to do with turrets or disciple. If you want to avoid that mainly, see my first sentence.

Edit: 4) If you check replay, i might understand why you ragequitted

(17:38 / All) archol: !lms aruil
(17:45 / All) archol: ah hes going mega
(17:48 / All) archol: thats why hes so angry

But still doesnt excuse ur flaming towards the team

[KiwiLeKiller]

Let's dissect this game from my (Aruil) point of view - Your decision making nearly cost us heal on 4 and killed us level 7, when I left.

Can you explain what you mean by "killed us level 7, when I left"? It appears to me that they lost 20 minutes after you actually left the game, so it didn't kill you level 7. Also, it seems to me that what killed your team was you leaving the game. Your team lasted 37 minutes with only 3 players.

[Augustinus]

Sorry, but there was no excessive flame. I don't know why you are so harsh in your BRQ. Acutally when you look through the chat, he is the only one who is trying to talk about tactics and the game. Kali has quite a condescending attitude

(13:21 / Allied) Kali-: green u remind me of my 3 years old nephew

and you answer him by ignoring his objections with

(13:00 / Allied) archol: man send
...
(14:41 / Allied) archol: man wave is as good

Which is perhaps sarcastic, wasn't it?

No one bothers to explain any plan, so he got really tilted for that. Subsequently comes the flaming part followed by rq when you leak huge to the king:

(15:21 / Allied) aruil: gj you fucking tards
(15:35 / Allied) JonnySniper: wave
(15:53 / Allied) aruil: VS FUCKING IMMOLATION
(15:58 / Allied) aruil: GREAT CALL YOU GIGANTIC TWAT
(16:31 / All) aruil: You know what? Fuck this game, and fuck this entire team
(16:34 / All) aruil: aruil has left the game voluntarily.

I don't think it is ok to write things like that but ENT does not consider it excessive flaming yet.

I usually enjoy playing with you as you can give really good input to builds and tactics and have a friendly attitude, so I don't understand how this could escalate that much.
However I think that the flaming is not severe enough and he is already struck by autoban for quitting, which he did not even do by plug pulling.

[archol]

Acutally when you look through the chat, he is the only one who is trying to talk about tactics and the game. Kali has quite a condescending attitude

No one bothers to explain any plan, so he got really tilted for that. Subsequently comes the flaming part followed by rq when you leak huge to the king:

First of all i didnt explain tactics as im used to it, because i usually say few words and most 1200+ and LIHL players just follow me blindly in 1200 as you saw with Rolders and Kali- or just check my recent replays - where even most 1200-2000 players follow my calls without baiting, i understand that it can be frustrating for players who dont know me and think i am wrong or they are right. Sometimes they ask or give suggestions and i explain and agree/decline, sometimes not. Yes it failed this time, so what?

Second, how should i know they got immo? It was a 25% chance, and they would never send without immolation as they had 2 leaking lanes whereas 1 was dead. Hes the first player since i came back to WC3, who reacted aggressive like that and ragequitted with a bang.

Its your opinion that it was not excessive, but he still insults me in this topic - so i doubt he learned something. And at least its only a game, no need to get so overheated about something - if you want to play on a high level, apply for LIHL and stop blaming/insulting etc. the public players, who just want to enjoy the game - also some of them are new players, who joined 1200+ for the first time or recently or came back from a huge break, what you expect from them?

[Dimitrij1606]

I'm not looking for pro games, I'm looking for games that are played properly, meaning no team killing decisions, good team communication but still lax enough to make some mistakes. I have no problem with the fact that we lost the game, I have a problem with how we lost it. Even going back to MEGA would be acceptable had it been a good game. I can understand being semi afk even though I don't condone it, but it still doesn't excuse your bad decisions. And let's face it, you were a shitty leader this game and this is not meant as an insult, it's just a statement of the obvious. Between them having AoD and us not having any hold without immolation (Immolation>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wave), sending 7 was all around a bad idea. Them having immo is merely a cherry at a top of the cake. So whenever I said that it's a bad call, for whatever reason all of you acted like I was the stupid one. I'm grateful to Augustinus for seeing my side of things. That is exactly what happened. Problem is that it happened one too many times, hence the rage quit. I lost 250 elo about a week ago to these kinds of games and I've been spinning around 1.2k ever since. In terms of quality, this game was MEGA, with players who are supposed to be better than I am. If I wanted MEGA, I'd do MEGA. At least I can cross there.

And to answer your question Kiwi - Losing 4 heals on level 7 is completely unnecessary and racing with no heals vs a king with immo and full heals always ends the same way. I've done that dance too many times to repeat it any longer.

As far as LIHL goes, I don't play there because I'm not good enough. I'd simply drag my team down with me and I'm not prepared to do that.

EDIT: There were no tactics here involved. I suppose losing can be a tactic, but nothing even remotely good was suggested in this game by you. Not a single thing.

[archol]

Im tired of explaining everything but else you miss something which you can take for the future, this will be my last posting here. Well you got your opinion, i got mine - we had greymane 4/1 on yellow and i was parasited hydra with parasited sea giant and also 4/0 or 4/1 with wave - they just had 1 PD as holder. If you think thats not hold worthy, then its your opinion.

I won several impossible games (losing 4 heals on level 3 etc.) and so did others in 1200+/LIHL against me, despite the odds and outrolls - nothing was over (when its really impossible, i forfeit), you are just looking for excuses - "its always the others fault that im pending between mega and 1200 - its never or not mainly my fault" is what you are saying.

You say its happening to you so many times that you get "teamkilled" etc., but im wondering why its not happening to me or any others as often as it does to you - maybe you are one of the problem too?

Then train and get better, and join LIHL - elo doesnt matter for LIHL.

[Dimitrij1606]

That's just the thing, I am not a part of the problem, yet for some reason it keeps happening to me. Every time, game after game after game, I play with the same level of quality. It may differ some when I get a particularly shitty roll, but overall my quality doesn't decline. Even made it a point to write it down in chat so people who played with me confirm it, so that if anyone reads the replay they can see for themselves. We had 1 Greymane with mass sentry behind, which is not a hold for 7. 3 Greymanes hold 7. Hydra and SG never, ever hold 7 even without send, unless you have a proper backline of pierce (which you didn't). Case in point, this game. Finally, and I can't stress this enough - It has nothing to do with winning the game. I'm perfectly prepared to lose. I want a good, friendly game with good people. This game had none of those things. Losing 4 heals was completely preventable and I'm tired of you trying to justify what you all did. Admit it or not, you sucked major league in this game and yellow did all the more so. Kali- was a condescending prick who I disliked from way before this game, so all around this team dynamic sucked. I'm the only person that played this game well - Had a good push, held all the levels I needed to hold (including 4, where our holders leaked; even aqua, somehow (For the record, Kali- had 600 value on lvl 5. Last I checked, what you need is 550)).

I presented my point, Augustinus saw my side of it and for that I'm eternally grateful. Me flaming was not cool and I do have to work on that problem, but in the meantime stacking and dodging will sidestep said problem. All that's left now is for 48h ban to pass and for me to chill out a bit from this.

[skarking]

how can this thread have the word lihl written in it 9 times if the brq is involved in 1200+ games xD

[Jay-]

Yes i am condescending towards guys that have 0 clue about this fucking game and refuse to teamplay. Wtf you want from me? to Say bravo? Way to go when you just suck and question 3 players way more experienced than you ?
Keep on telling everyone im an asshole and use that as an excuse for your game ruin.
Last i checked being condescending towards ppl is not ban-able but game ruin and leaving is. Yes my attitude towards you sucked cos i just finished a game with you in team. You did many mistakes and everything u got was justified. Tried to coach you the game before.
ps. never flamed you so stop acting like a little bitch. Take the ban and start realize you are the problem and not your team.

[FalenGa]

Flame wasn't excessive. Auto ban handles leavers.

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