Ban Request - 5-6 players (MH)

[m4dnix]

Your battle.net username: m4dnix
Violator's battle.net username: sportbillys@europe.battle.net , 13o13o@uswest.battle.net , lugubrious@uswest.battle.net , psyclobin@uswest.battle.net , dancekiller@europe.battle.net & wsd@europe.battle.net
Game name (if known): [ENT] DotA arem us/ca #95
Bot name (for example, ENT15): /
Approximate date/time of game (alternatively, link to a Stats page): 04/12/2012, 09:14
Rule player violated: Maphacking.
Time of incidents (Note in-game timer or replay timer): Whole game...
Any further thoughts:

12:39 morph selects gyro in fog
13:24 void selects morph in fog
lugubrious pings at void's location while he is farming forest, although they had wards, but i watched it on 1/2x they had no sight at that spot.
18:58 morph selects cm in fog
19:41 Dancekiller (lycan) fog clicked top heroes.
34:06 Pit lord and the rest of the team went after rosh, they knew we were there, but what pit couldnt know is that i was close to neutral rosh creeps, and he pinged at me, also before i got there, he used 2nd spell, so kinda suspicious playing from this fo 2nd time, still checking it.
34:47 Traxex fog-clicked void
37:27 Tauren pings straight to Gyro ( no vision/ no wards nearby ) he even wrote on their chat "Gyro" a couple of seconds after that. As the timer goes on, he kept writting to them, he wrote "He went top" this guy couldnt have known whereabouts of gyro (unless he maphacks).
39:06 morph selected void in fog again..





12:39 |cFF0000FFsportbillys (Morphling)|r clicked Gyrocopter
13:24 |cFFFFC0CBWSD (Void)|r clicked Morphling
18:58 |cFF0000FFsportbillys (Morphling)|r clicked Crystal Maiden
19:39 |cFFFFA500Dancekiller (Lycan)|r clicked Gyrocopter
19:41 |cFFFFA500Dancekiller (Lycan)|r clicked Skywrath Mage
34:47 |cFF00FFFF13o13o (Traxex)|r clicked Faceless Void
39:6 |cFF0000FFsportbillys (Morphling)|r clicked Faceless Void


Note: this one was the hardest replay i ever reviewed, first of all, this game was played 2 days ago, they knew our every move, they were very aware of our attempts to gank them, but they always somehow knew that we are going after them, whole game, i suspected that at least 2 players in sentinel team are maphacking, today, when i woke up, i decided to watch this one and see what happened there actually, and i am still shocked how many players map-hacked this game, almost whole sentinel team, for some of them, i need confirmation, and for some of them i am pretty sure what happened.. another replay for me with so much effort put in, i need you guys to check these and review it on 1x because you have to see mostly pinging ingame, and i need confirmation on some fog-clicks aswell.. For now, i am only banning sportbillys for maphacking, i am 100% sure in his fog-clicks, and i will be waiting you to confirm others untill i ban them (if needed, after all) but i believe that i am 90% right in this one. Can't be so much wrong with so much energy spent to watch this one at 1x for almost 50 mins.

[UCHIHAItach1]

You have helped me in my bans many times Madnix, but If you are to ban these guys for beating your team it would be very wrong. I was looking for a fog click out of the ones listed above and all of your fog-clicks that you pointed out are not EVEN questionable are clearly delayed clicks after creeps die every time. They warded roshan area many times and u guys kept claiming mh. placed by drow and lycan. They clearly had vision of you guys the 2nd time u roshed and it was a pre-emptive attack that did not work out in their favor due to void's ult. Unbiased opinion, based on two rax down on sentinel side I thought they had an awesome comeback and beat the scourge. Morph only (delayed click) when the creep waves were just about finished and should not be punished for good teamwork . But i am not an admin and I am requesting that you re-watch this replay because I thought sentinel played very well till the end despite void's chrono and your all ranged team. I thought they moved well together and since they had aoe , stuns and tanks, it was a not a bad idea to move as a unit and stalk areas together. As for your 100% fogclick assurance.. i would 100% disagree with your claim. sorry Madnix. just a neutral watcher here but I think you are wrong on this one. : (

[m4dnix]

All due respect, i was in that game, i know what they did, and how they did, there might be delayed clicks, thats not questionable, i watched it on 1x only once, and i paused everytime i found something suspicious and noted in txt file, i put alot effort to watch them all, because there was alot of pings and some of these clicks are not delayed for sure, also, i know that they had wards, but not everytime, and even before these wards, they were playing suspiciously, i still believe that someone there maphacked, we shall see who.

Edit: i forgot, just to add, its not a problem for me to accept that we lost, but i only accept fair play, not cheating, and we let them win, because we had no teamwork, and everytime we wanted to do something, they kinda knew it. I will be checking this one again for sure, i have to. But not now, i am too tired, been on whole day, the day after when i get up, i will be checking this one all of these clicks i mentioned up there.

Edit 2: I felt responsible for this one, and i had to watch it right now, i went immediately to watch it, and this is the outcome:

First one could be delayed.
Second one aswell could be delayed.
Third one aswell could be delayed...
Fourth one could be delayed.
Sixth one from Traxex same..
Seventh from Morph to Void at mid.. is also delayed.

All fog-clicks that i mentioned could be really delayed, but nonetheless, still, there was alot of pinging when they had no wards, still need some other admins to watch this one on 1x and check for those pings ingame.. anyway, i watched this whole game by myself on 1x first time, but i was watching minimap not the right location, because i couldnt which one they would select.. that is why i made this pretty noobish mistake, but still, we learn from our mistakes, my fault is because i didnt check all these all over again when i noted them and finished watching first time, and i am truly sorry for that.

Waiting for other opinions, but seems to me like we will have to pull off this ban request since many delayed clicks and alot of mess into this one..

One more time, i didnt ban anyone, this could be a BIG mistake from me which i will try to fix in the future, and not to repeat it.

Thanks for understanding.

Also, i am very thankful for opening my eyes utachi, you helped here alot.. I appreciate that.

[UCHIHAItach1]

No offense taken here man, it looked like quite a frustrating game with void showing up late many times while u and brown were tanking instead of void timewalking ahead and using chrono. I would have been furious as well. I watched it twice on 1x and 1/2 x the 2nd time, specifically to re-watch your claimed fog-clicks but I did not find any foul plays. Again I was just curious to see what a TEAM of mhers would play like ..and again they could have been hacking but I don't see any indisputable evidence that they hacked is all i am saying. Could u honestly say that out of the fog-clicks claimed that they were not delayed? if not , then let us talk which one.

[m4dnix]

You have my opinion above, i edited it again, i was honest, and there is a huge possibility now that i was wrong for all of these, but yet, still alot of "random" pings on minimap to be checked ...

Edit again: well yea, Void threw that game away for us.. we had it.. but someone always was late and we knew that sometimes they had wards in our forest and on cliffs, but not everytime, i am still confused how i didnt pay attention when i watched it first time, shoulda have thought of his possibility and delay.. blame on me.. really. I am so mad at myself and kinda disappointed, this shouldnt be happening <_<

[Bubblestorms]

Glitched Clicks

Code: Select all

12:39 |cFF0000FFsportbillys (Morphling)|r clicked Gyrocopter
13:24 |cFFFFC0CBWSD (Void)|r clicked Morphling
18:58 |cFF0000FFsportbillys (Morphling)|r clicked Crystal Maiden
19:39 |cFFFFA500Dancekiller (Lycan)|r clicked Gyrocopter
19:41 |cFFFFA500Dancekiller (Lycan)|r clicked Skywrath Mage
34:47 |cFF00FFFF13o13o (Traxex)|r clicked Faceless Void
39:6 |cFF0000FFsportbillys (Morphling)|r clicked Faceless Void


34:06 Pit lord and the rest of the team went after rosh, they knew we were there, but what pit couldnt know is that i was close to neutral rosh creeps, and he pinged at me, also before i got there, he used 2nd spell, so kinda suspicious playing from this fo 2nd time, still checking it.

They had obs all over the place, please check the replay carefully before jumping to conclusions, when you were roshing, the entire time, their team had vision of necro.

This replay seems more of an indication of some one being a sore loser, all the clicks are glitched and they've been setting up obs all around the map, if you guys had wanted to win, you should have countered with obs.

[GhettoRhymes]

I've also watched the replay, fogclicks indicated are indeed delayed/glitched. Sorry here.

-GR

[m4dnix]

Well as i said, big mistake, i will just drop off this one, moving to processed.