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Game: https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=3693955
Replay page: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 693955.w3g

Okay so I found the link and the replay, thanks to Hutzu.

Evidence (replay times):

07:44 Lucifer backs when slark comes in the fog
10:40 Lucifer knows he's ganked by AA in the fog so he backs very far

Okay... you're gonna say those aren't really proof. You're right. However, now move forward to:

16:41 Lucifer tries to dodge slark in the fog for tens of seconds.

After seeing this there's simply no denying he hacks. If you want more timestamps I'd be glad to review more but there's really no need.
Not only is it hilarious because he is a mod, hacks, and deleted one of my posts about it, but also because he is a terrible, terrible player! You can also watch the rest of the game if you want to see him being owned hard.

Enjoy the demotion and the permanent ban.

Kind regards,
blink

By the way LOL y'all should be more careful about who you're promoting... it's not just the fact that he's maphacking that is shocking but most of all how blatant he is with it... how can he be that stupid and be a mod... and also the fact that his maphack remained unnoticed for a year!!!

7:44 is no evidence imo. Mid ss is called and for a split second, he can see purp appear in the woods again.

(07:35 / Allied) FyUoCuK: ss mid
(07:35 / Allied) Aeroplane: omw top
(07:42 / Allied) Aeroplane: let them come
(07:43 / Allied) DarkFlash: omw top
(07:43 / Allied) Aeroplane: dont scare

Blue/Slark also complained not to scare them which purp did.

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10:40 also no evidence imo (maybe slightly). They retreat, they saw oj there at the fight, which took place on that lane. This can be explained by map awareness quite ok. Where else could oj have gone from there?

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16:41 No explanation for that. Absolutely none. Similar to the scene from the other replay, he goes from one end of the woods to other one and back and back again. In the other replay it was down at the frame of the map, where there are only 2 entries/exists. All mia was called, but the timing of that was too good to be true...

@bouncinghitman
Care to check this one out, too?

@blink666
If you got any other scenes, please add them too.

Lol another admin using maphack and got caught. 16:41 the way he is avoiding slark screams maphack. This player skill level isnt even that good for him to do this. After watching 2 other replays and looking at stats there is no way he could do this without mh. Sorry dude you got caught.

Peace

Hutzu although he was biased went into great trouble to find the old game links, probably because he was accused of being close to Noctus but still I respect that he searched those links. However threads like these viewtopic.php?f=31&t=36261 show that there REALLY is a deep, rooting problem with the ENT policy on maphack reviews. I've submitted tens of BRs on maphack with convincing evidence and no one ever got banned.
It's SO HARD to get banned on ENT for maphack seriously. MH is practically allowed here. When I was in DotaCash we didn't fuck around with this, and we still managed to be 99% accurate. And trust me mhers were pissing their pants.

@blink666 that link shows no proof of map hacking in that game. @bouncinghitman watched that replay, as did i, and found nothing convincing of map hack.

I was banned at dotacash for being a "noob" and being a sarcastic ass hole to an admin by agreeing that i was noob. How is it that they are 99% accurate when they rage ban for being out trolled?

Map hackers are not allowed on ENT. You can think whatever you want. We do our best to prove MH before banning like dota cash banned for delayed clicks.

You posted 4 map hack requests. 2 were denied. Why? Evidence wasn't convincing. Map hack is a serious offence here. Therefore, we admins must be convinced, not you.

There is no problem with our policy on map hack. If caught, banned. We review them, if yes, banned, placed into awaiting for second. Awaiting for second takes a bit longer to get to for other reasons.

Locked from further raging from you and others.

If you have more info, PM me it.



From Hutzu: If you want to respond to it, PM him.

Hutzu wrote:Hello matdas,

I was about to post in that topic too before you posted.

My post was this

blink666 wrote:Hutzu although he was biased went into great trouble to find the old game links, probably because he was accused of being close to Noctus but still I respect that he searched those links. However threads like these viewtopic.php?f=31&t=36261 show that there REALLY is a deep, rooting problem with the ENT policy on maphack reviews. I've submitted tens of BRs on maphack with convincing evidence and no one ever got banned.
It's SO HARD to get banned on ENT for maphack seriously. MH is practically allowed here. When I was in DotaCash we didn't fuck around with this, and we still managed to be 99% accurate. And trust me mhers were pissing their pants.

I was never really biased. Before I checked the other replay, I assumed. When I check replays, I am never biased. Those silly accusations towards me in that topic are ridiculous and never have been backed up. They had plenty of time (even met them at chat), not once was a proof/indication mentioned why they thought (maybe still think) that I am/was close to Zimmer. Not once. The only thing they do is repeating the groundless accusations, and this reminds me of politicians. When their bs is revealed, they keep repeating it until people keep buying it. Hard to believe that nobody could mention one topic or specific behaviour of mine that could indicate/imply that connection between him and me, while all claim it is so obvious. If it's so obvious, why having such a hard time posting at least a single 'evidence'?

I don't know about your other topics that got denied, but e.g. here 2 out of 3 timestamps weren't useful, though the 3rd looks rather convincing, especially with the background of the other replay's similar incident. I dunno how dotacash handles/handled those cases, but from your description it looks like maybe more than needed got banned (that gotta be mh!), while we ban maybe less than needed (no, we gotta be 100% sure). This is your 5th ban topic here, unless you have another account, and 2 out of 4 were approved. At one you probably didn't watch the replay, because opponents had a ward placed and the other one was only one timestamp and not convincing enough (if at all) for the mod.
So your sentence "I've submitted tens of BRs on maphack with convincing evidence and no one ever got banned." is just plain false.

We will be awaiting more timestamps and bouncinghitman's analysis.

@blink666 @Hutzu
I'm intrested why you took that replay and not another?
You watched other replays saw that I don't made any suspect movements? This why you posted this with wrong accusations?

I finally had time to review in more detail but the topic is locked so please copy those timestamps and add them to the original thread ( viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36576 ).

All timestamps are replay time (RT).

22:00 Lucifer stays in a safe place away from enemy heroes. Then once enemies left he went back into middle lane, even though 4 out of 5 enemy heroes were in the fog. Moreover you can see that, systematically, throughout the whole game he moves forward when no or only one enemy hero is nearby and backs when enemies are approaching in the fog. He always makes sure he is away from fogged enemy heroes (except during fights of course). Notice how he NEVER gets ganked while wandering alone, even on the enemy side of the river?
25:19 Lucifer goes in the fog to make Slark go away. Now think about this: he has been spotted roshing by Slark like 10 seconds earlier, so logically, he should think the enemies must be near the river. But he still goes there because he knows only Slark is there and the other enemies aren't there yet. It would be an extremely unsafe move without MH, and he has been playing super cautious the whole game.
25:21 At the very moment other enemies are incoming in the fog, Lucifer suddenly changes direction for no reason.
25:24 Lucifer follows Slark in the fog, then backs again (other enemies coming).
25:29 Invis Slark goes in, Lucifer backs. Slark backs, Lucifer comes back. Again literally following Slark's movement with no vision. Then he moves away, again, as Slark comes back... stays on the edge so as not to be targeted by incoming enemies. The very second Slark reveals himself, he goes back in and tries to doom him. The whole scene is immensely blatant.
28:00 Lucifer goes straight to gank Abaddon in the woods, he goes on the right so as to appear unsuspicious when he knew all along he was there. He waits to get vision on him and in a millisecond clicks on him and turns towards him, dooms him.
28:14 Lucifer stops chasing after Abaddon because he sees enemies are right behind him.
28:20 Lucifer goes in first (which he NEVER does) because he knows weak Ancient Apparition is standing alone and can be attacked without risk.
29:46 Lucifer gets ganked by Centaur and Abaddon (coming from fog). So he backs, which he didn't do when it was just Centaur seconds earlier.
30:55 Again Lucifer consistently dodges enemies on the side, illogical moves.
34:30 A bunch of enemies are coming in the fog, Lucifer backs.
34:37 Invisible Slark runs towards Lucifer, Lucifer runs away completely (which he didn't do until Slark came invisible).
35:15 Abaddon, who has just acquired the Invisibility rune, is coming towards Lucifer in the forest. Lucifer backs...
35:21 Abaddon is closing in on Lucifer, watch how he moves... the dodges him (still invisible).
35:34 Lucifer dodges invisible Slark coming after him, again watch the way Lucifer moves...
40:22 Lucifer gets pinged on/ganked, so he immediately fully runs back to base.

P.S. Noctus don't try to edit this I have the text saved and will privately PM it to every mod, if needed.

Topics merged.

blink666 wrote:I finally had time to review in more detail but the topic is locked so please copy those timestamps and add them to the original thread ( viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36576 ).

All timestamps are replay time (RT).

22:00 Lucifer stays in a safe place away from enemy heroes. Then once enemies left he went back into middle lane, even though 4 out of 5 enemy heroes were in the fog. Moreover you can see that, systematically, throughout the whole game he moves forward when no or only one enemy hero is nearby and backs when enemies are approaching in the fog. He always makes sure he is away from fogged enemy heroes (except during fights of course). Notice how he NEVER gets ganked while wandering alone, even on the enemy side of the river?
25:19 Lucifer goes in the fog to make Slark go away. Now think about this: he has been spotted roshing by Slark like 10 seconds earlier, so logically, he should think the enemies must be near the river. But he still goes there because he knows only Slark is there and the other enemies aren't there yet. It would be an extremely unsafe move without MH, and he has been playing super cautious the whole game.
25:21 At the very moment other enemies are incoming in the fog, Lucifer suddenly changes direction for no reason.
25:24 Lucifer follows Slark in the fog, then backs again (other enemies coming).
25:29 Invis Slark goes in, Lucifer backs. Slark backs, Lucifer comes back. Again literally following Slark's movement with no vision. Then he moves away, again, as Slark comes back... stays on the edge so as not to be targeted by incoming enemies. The very second Slark reveals himself, he goes back in and tries to doom him. The whole scene is immensely blatant.
28:00 Lucifer goes straight to gank Abaddon in the woods, he goes on the right so as to appear unsuspicious when he knew all along he was there. He waits to get vision on him and in a millisecond clicks on him and turns towards him, dooms him.
28:14 Lucifer stops chasing after Abaddon because he sees enemies are right behind him.
28:20 Lucifer goes in first (which he NEVER does) because he knows weak Ancient Apparition is standing alone and can be attacked without risk.
29:46 Lucifer gets ganked by Centaur and Abaddon (coming from fog). So he backs, which he didn't do when it was just Centaur seconds earlier.
30:55 Again Lucifer consistently dodges enemies on the side, illogical moves.
34:30 A bunch of enemies are coming in the fog, Lucifer backs.
34:37 Invisible Slark runs towards Lucifer, Lucifer runs away completely (which he didn't do until Slark came invisible).
35:15 Abaddon, who has just acquired the Invisibility rune, is coming towards Lucifer in the forest. Lucifer backs...
35:21 Abaddon is closing in on Lucifer, watch how he moves... the dodges him (still invisible).
35:34 Lucifer dodges invisible Slark coming after him, again watch the way Lucifer moves...
40:22 Lucifer gets pinged on/ganked, so he immediately fully runs back to base.

P.S. Noctus don't try to edit this I have the text saved and will privately PM it to every mod, if needed.

22:00, he runs back to get items from courier.
25:xx scenes, if he knows only you are there, why doesn't he just finish roshan? Besides that his movements were odd.
28:xx scenes, he actually turns right (not his right but screen right), while abbadon is on the other side. He goes back after he sees first yellow and then blue also going there. Also enough time has passed for all the others to assemble.
34:xx and 35:xx scenes, middle lane was too advanced on their side. He goes back for backup. If he really wanted to dodge abaddon, then why go that path? He could have just avoided all that by going around the forests the other way towards the middle.
Though his moving back when slark advanced towards him is odd.

blink666 wrote:07:44 Lucifer backs when slark comes in the fog
Pink said ss.
10:40 Lucifer knows he's ganked by AA in the fog so he backs very far
He was low hp and saw aa before, he went back and saw aa again. Why should he stay at t1 if there were 2 heroes just seconds before?
25:19 - 25:29 Rosh
Seems more like a back and forth to scout rosh. Considering there were teal and purple behind blue, your argument makes no sense. Plus, whether he goes to rosh if all are missing or goes back is up to him.
28:00-28:20 Lucifer goes straight to gank Abaddon in the woods, he goes on the right so as to appear unsuspicious when he knew all along he was there. He waits to get vision on him and in a millisecond clicks on him and turns towards him, dooms him.
With two of his mates going with him... they even gave him vision.
29:46 Lucifer gets ganked by Centaur and Abaddon (coming from fog). So he backs, which he didn't do when it was just Centaur seconds earlier.
He saw cent twice before and his dagger was disabled due to fire.
30:55 Again Lucifer consistently dodges enemies on the side, illogical moves.
T3 was being pushed, all are missing and he goes to base, what's wrong with that?
34:30 A bunch of enemies are coming in the fog, Lucifer backs.
Brown pinged it out. The whole team went back.
34:37 Invisible Slark runs towards Lucifer, Lucifer runs away completely (which he didn't do until Slark came invisible).
35:15-34 Abaddon, who has just acquired the Invisibility rune, is coming towards Lucifer in the forest. Lucifer backs...
Doom even chooses the same path as abba. If he truely wanted to dodge him, he would go top right instead bot right.
40:22 Lucifer gets pinged on/ganked, so he immediately fully runs back to base.
The entire team gathered at t4. Not only doom went back.

I commented on the suspicious moments listed by you which are in most cases interpreted narrow-minded, not taking accounting that he has four teammates who give him vision, intel and a general flow as to what to do next.

The only evidence I see worthy to discuss is around 16:40 on which I want @zimmer 's opinion what he thought by doing that.

07:48 doom sees slark in forest = backs after seeing him = no mh.
10:40 moment: orange was around prior to "intending to gank". lvl8 aa can kill a lvl 5 low hp doom easy even if aa were to dive alone. lvl 5 cent can also kill a low hp doom by diving stun edge. + Ofc, both together = ez to kill doom = Staying by tower was suicide. = logical movement, no mh.

16:42 Without prior vision, reacts and turns the other way. 16:47 turns again as slark moves in parallel.
16:50 moves opposite direction again. Considering there was no vision on slark and other opponent teams' position, moving back and forth makes little sense = mh?

25:34 doom does try to stomp for slark, but no strong proof for mh.

28 min when doom ganks with others, he turns the opposite way instead of going for abba = no evidence of mh.

34:37 slark becomes visible. Them, doom uses bmail and stomp. = weak

Nothing suspicious after this time stamp.

About that time at 16:40 I just can explain that to myselfe with being unsure to keep pushing the lane or going b (since I saw slark porting fount and the other team beside AA were ss or could reach me)

Wouldn't I back earlier, if I really maphacked when I saw slark heading bot lane to prevent such a situation?

Also from what I read above I see only 1 suspect movement of myselfe and the rest were all legit.
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=35791&p=153813&hilit=Noctus#p153813
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=36261
Like seen in this 2 topics other games of myselfe being analyzed by more then 1 admin and been proven that I don't maphack.

As mentioned by other moderators, any of the time stamps can be easily explained. The only one is 16:40 which seems very questionable. However, at ENT, we do not ban for one suspicious moment as it is not enough to warrant both a demotion and ban for maphack.

We do, however, even ban our staff members if found guilty of maphacking or third party usage. Therefore, we appreciate the engagement by the users to find maphackers and look forward to see new evidence backing up the claims.

If anyone finds himself uncomfortable reporting a staff member publicly, you may pm a moderator.

Case closed, thank you for your patience.