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Game Name: [ENT] DotA apem us/ca #55
Your Warcraft III Username: jellyfish
Violator's Warcraft III Username: amazeyess + others who didn't vote
Violated Rule(s): feeding, not listening to team, solo pushing / farming all game, feeding rapier
Time of Violation (in-game or replay):

I called mid, but he decides to ignore me. No worries, we can still play together mid, but then he suddenly dives straight at witch for a good 20 seconds and feeds 1st blood.

(03:15 / Allied) jellyfish: !votekick amaze

I tried to votekick him many times in the game, but the other team didn't want to kick him because they badly wanted their shitty 8 elo. Then he started to votekick random people in our team (including me), and still the other team wouldn't vote.

Every time we tried to push together he would go farm, and when no one was pushing or they were pushing against us he would go and push them and feed. Eventually he bought a rapier and solo pushed against their whole team and fed rapier. He did the same thing with aegis...

Any further thoughts:

Please ban this guy so we can have a record of his game ruining and those people who wouldn't vote this obvious game ruiner.

I revive the whole game. I don't think this ban request have any credential. Troll wasn't intentionally feeding at any point. He die like the retard he is. I understand your frustration with him. Everyone dealt with these retard once in a while. Troll was just a waste of space. He farm all game and played selfishly solo, contributing essentially nothing.

He did one thing right during the whole game. He destroyed bot rexes when the sentinel was distracted. This does not outweigh his uselessness by any bit. If being a waste of space and contributing nothing to the game count as game ruining, he should be ban. Unfortunately, I don't think think this count as game ruining. I would like these type of retard to be ban too. jellyfish was being an asshole by stealing his creeps. 3 times from my count.

amazeyess, whyyoudead, and jellyfish should be ban for repeatedly VK abuse. Else, no ban at all on VK. whyyoudead and jellyfish VK abuse amazeyess for how retarded he is, due to frustration. amazeyess VK abuse whyyoudead and jellyfish just to spite them back.

@dotaworx1

Please provide more time stamps for game ruining/feeding, one time stamp isn't enough. Just some timestamps would be beneficial of the exact instances he was throwing.

@Owl I am away from my computer right now until Wednesday. I think it was pretty clear this guy was not listening to the team, and the best instance was in the beginning;

About 3:10, he dives mid and feeds first blood. Sure, we can say he sucks, but at some point he needed to listen to other players who can help him learn. The fact that he didn't listen or even attempt to push with the team shows that he was trying to lose imo. He definitely is very bad, but there should be some penalty for not listening the team and effectively throwing the game. Otherwise, he will never learn to listen to the team and possibly improve.

I can provide more timestamps if you require, but please wait until Wednesday.

Under no obligation is it require for anyone to listen to the team. This put almost everyone at risk for getting ban. Not listening does not equal to trying to lose. This is a false conclusion.

You acknowledge that he suck ass. You're trying to ban him because

at some point he needed to listen to other players who can help him learn

but he refuse.

there should be some penalty for not listening

You're being spiteful and trying to get revenge. There is nothing to ban him for.

@Cat_Fat All votekicks were legit. Also, it is essential to take a <b>short</b> paragraph's sentences in conjunction to formulate an opinion. Please try to do so in your future analysis.

You forgot to mention;

The fact that he didn't listen or even attempt to push with the team shows that he was trying to lose imo.

The rule being broken in intentionally trying to lose by failing to learn and taking unnecessary risks. I will detail his offenses for you and others ( @Owl ) in order to show that this is not a personal matter and it would help the ENT community to correct this guy's behavior (and others like him).

#1
Do not ruin the game on purpose.

At ~2:00 he runs right to rosh in such a way that he is very close to rosh, but not exactly fighting rosh. If he had stayed there longer, he could have been stuck or easily gotten ganked by the enemy team. I understand he is new player, but why did he CHOOSE to put himself in unnecessary risk? Even a toddler knows not to go near rosh as troll, when you may possibly misclick or get ganked. A new player player certainly knows they are not good yet, but if they wanted to win they would not take unnecessary risks. Take this small event as a foreshadow of what is to come and the outlook this player has on this game match in general. In fact, I will demonstrate that this player consistently takes unnecessary risk and is refusing to learn/help in order to ruin the game for other players and this is separate from him being a new player who is trying to improve. Certainly, I support new players who are trying to get better and try to win, but this guy was not doing that.

(02:09 / Allied) jellyfish: lol
(02:12 / Allied) jellyfish: rosh dont attack him
(02:23 / Allied) jellyfish: why troll there
(02:26 / Allied) jellyfish: i dont understand
(02:31 / Allied) WhyYouDead: itll atatck on start'

He does not reply to team at all.

#2 troll goes mid and feeds
Do not ruin the game on purpose.

jellyfish calls mid

(00:02 / Allied) jellyfish: mid pls
(00:40 / Allied) jellyfish: im going mid tho
(00:44 / Allied) jellyfish: so pls dont take it
(00:57 / Allied) jellyfish: i got mid
(01:04 / Allied) WhyYouDead: let jely mid
(01:10 / Allied) jellyfish: ty
(01:20 / Allied) jellyfish: called mid buddy
(01:22 / Allied) jellyfish: check the log

troll immediately goes to mid after invoker tries to remove him before the enemy team finds out he is taking such a huge risk for no reason. While it is not against the rules to go mid after someone else calls it, troll is a new player and he picked a very squishy hero and he had no reason to go there. Once again, he is taking unnecessary risk in an attempt to ruin the game.

(02:32 / Allied) WhyYouDead: ya
(02:46 / Allied) WhyYouDead: troll go bot

Again, no reply or communication to the team.

#3 troll feeds 1st blood mid and other feeds
Do not suicide on purpose.

So, he is mid and using troll who can be melee or range. However, he decides to go on melee mode and right clicking creeps against witch doctor. Obviously, witch doctor just right clicks troll who loses half his life before diving right for witch doctor. Witch just stuns him and gets first blood.

The whole time jellyfish who called mid stays far back in order not to die against a range hero early and also provide feedback that troll will not be supported in a dive.

(03:05 / Allied) jellyfish: go bot pls
(03:07 / Allied) jellyfish: what are u doing
(03:08 / Allied) jellyfish: guyz
(03:09 / Allied) jellyfish: look
(03:11 / Allied) jellyfish: he's throwing

At this point jellyfish starts a votekick because troll took mid, dove, and gave first blood. The enemy player mid (witch) votes IMMEDIATELY against troll because it was an OBVIOUS feed.

(03:15 / Allied) jellyfish: !votekick amaze
(03:18 / Allied) dontbehatting: !yes

IMO this is enough information to constitute a ban on this guy and also those who didn't vote this obvious game ruiner. However, in an attempt to demonstrate his successful attempt to game ruin, I will illustrate more points.

See also: 33:00 Instead of helping team mid with aegis, he dives in to nearly the entire enemy team and dies.
See also: 50:00 Team is now pushing mid, but before the team can push (probably win) troll dives at mid tower and feeds enemy team rapier. Clear game ruining and malicious use of rapier to prevent the push of allies.

#4 Troll comes back mid
Do not ruin the game on purpose.

After diving for no reason and giving first blood, troll comes back immediately to mid. He dies again at 4:30 because he refuses to learn from his previous mistake and he is taking unnecessary risk in order to ruin the game.

#5 Troll does not help team and instead kills creeps about 3 seconds away from the battle.
~15:00 Do not refuse to play the game in an attempt to ruin it (grieving).

(15:13 / All) WhyYouDead: TROLLF ULL HP DO NOTHING
(15:16 / All) WhyYouDead: FUCKING KICK DIPSHITS

See also: 16:30 - Refuses to help team who is fighting very close to him and chooses instead to attack creeps.
See also: 27:00 - Chooses to farm creeps in enemy jungle instead of joining team fight.
See also: ~32:00 - Team pushes mid and he goes to rosh
See also: 33:00 - After getting aegis, he does not help with team battle about 10 seconds away.
See also: 36:00 - Team trying to push, he is farming creeps
See also: 38:00 - Enemy team pushing mid, he is creeping enemy jungle instead of listening to team and trying to win. He even has a tp scroll!
See also: 42:00 - Team trying to push again, and troll decides to go farming when he is very close and able to help.
See also: 43:00 - Stops farming creeps and decides to go to bottom rax in order to as far from the team as possible.
See also: 47:00 - Team trying to push and troll decides to farm. In fact, he gets a rapier about 47:15 and instead of going mid (about 15 sec away) he goes back to farming.

See also:
These are clear attempts by troll to ruin the game by not helping. If he was involved in any of the team battles we could have easily won. In fact, it is easy to see that all he did throughout the game was farm items, senselessly feed with aegis and rapier. IMO, this is a clear game ruining with an intention to lose the game.

#6 Aimlessly wanders around the map the whole game and is constantly being charged by bara or focused by the enemy team. He refuses to learn or stick with the team.

Cat_Fact wrote:Under no obligation is it require for anyone to listen to the team. This put almost everyone at risk for getting ban. Not listening does not equal to trying to lose. This is a false conclusion.

Wrong. It is an obligation to try to learn and improve. It is possible to both be new and game ruin by refusing to learn.

Will review when i get home.

@Owl Thanks, and I also found this rule under the Votekick Section that may help @Cat_Fact understand the rules a little better.

If a votekick is initiated to kick a visible game ruiner, all players are obligated to !yes.
It is possible to game ruin by being new. In this case, votekick will only be valid if the new player refuses to learn and cooperate

In reply to those who didn't vote, please take a look at these important communications made by ally and enemy players;


(03:20 / Allied) jellyfish: vote him
(03:21 / Allied) jellyfish: out
(03:22 / Allied) jellyfish: quick
(03:23 / All) amazeyess: votekick abuse
(03:24 / Allied) jellyfish: he just dove
(03:25 / All) WhyYouDead: 1a hes throwiung
(03:25 / Allied) jellyfish: for no reason
(03:27 / All) amazeyess: cracking down
(03:27 / All) jellyfish: he is diving
(03:27 / All) dontbehatting: u feeder
(03:28 / All) jellyfish: and feeding u
(03:29 / All) dontbehatting: obviously

(15:24 / Allied) WhyYouDead: !votekick amaz
(15:34 / All) WhyYouDead: he stood by us entire time in circles
(15:44 / All) WhyYouDead: did not a damn thing not even autosttac

(19:02 / Allied) jellyfish: !votekick amaze
(19:13 / Allied) Yoshi.: see
(19:15 / Allied) Yoshi.: look at sb
(19:23 / All) jellyfish: he's not listening tho
(19:25 / All) jellyfish: it's ruining the game

(26:22 / Allied) jellyfish: !votekick am

(28:21 / All) amazeyess: !votekick jelly [He tries to votekick jellyfish for no reason]
(28:24 / All) amazeyess: votekick abuse [He admits he is abusing votekick?]
(28:35 / All) WhyYouDead: se, he votekicks anotherperson nt slks like a morn

(28:36 / All) shooterball: im 1-6
(28:48 / All) jellyfish: it's not about that
(28:50 / All) jellyfish: u are following ur team
(28:52 / All) jellyfish: listening to them
(28:54 / All) jellyfish: helping them
(28:55 / All) jellyfish: he is not
(28:57 / All) jellyfish: he is trying to lose

(37:48 / Allied) jellyfish: !votekick am

(46:22 / All) amazeyess: !votekick jell [He tries to votekick jellyfish again for no reason]
(46:26 / All) jellyfish: ?
(46:28 / All) amazeyess: votekick abuse [admits again?]
(46:28 / All) jellyfish: he is throwing hard
(46:30 / All) amazeyess: griefer

[After amazeeyes feeds GEM and RAPIER]

(51:09 / All) WhyYouDead: wow...feeds gem
(51:15 / All) WhyYouDead: again, fags
(51:18 / All) amazeyess: !votekick why [He tries to votekick WhyYouDead (gondar)]

(52:10 / All) jellyfish: he fed all game
(52:11 / All) jellyfish: and fed u rapier

(53:00 / All) amazeyess: yes
(53:03 / Allied) jellyfish: why do u guys stop playing
(53:04 / All) amazeyess: votekick abuse
(53:04 / All) BannedFromDota: lol
(53:06 / Allied) jellyfish: just push as a team
(53:07 / Allied) shooterball: it will
(53:08 / Allied) jellyfish: and stop going 1 at a time
(53:09 / All) amazeyess: griefers

(53:19 / All) dontbehatting: !votekick ama

amazeeyes also tries to confuse everyone with his comments about votekick abuse, probably after every votekick including the three that he started for no reason (other than to flame the team).

(03:23 / All) amazeyess: votekick abuse
(03:27 / All) amazeyess: cracking down
(15:33 / All) amazeyess: votekick abuse
(19:08 / All) amazeyess: votekick abuse
(26:30 / All) amazeyess: votekick abuse
(28:21 / All) WhyYouDead: A votekick against player [jellyfish] has been started by player [amazeyess]. 7 votes are needed within 60 seconds to pass.
(37:54 / All) amazeyess: votekick abuse
... (too many to list all of his bs)

I request shooterball and Yoshi be banned an extra long time since they are obfuscating the vote and intentionally not voting to game ruin. Their ally mid voted yes, and there was no reason not to votekick an obvious game ruiner!

(04:04 / Allied) shooterball: dont kick
(04:07 / Allied) shooterball: geo scared

(04:19 / Allied) jellyfish: !votekick amaze
(04:49 / All) Yoshi.: hes 0/1
(04:50 / All) Yoshi.: shh

Also, look at BannedFromDota comments clearly showing he chose not to vote an obvious game ruiner;

(53:11 / All) BannedFromDota: u cant get banned for votekick
(53:11 / All) shooterball: it will get denied
(53:16 / All) BannedFromDota: its a democratic system

Please teach them that they must vote obvious game ruiners like this troll! I would like to add votekick abuse to trolls list of offenses and also this should show his intent to ruin the game.

I got another report coming on this guy. Give me a few minutes to review the replay.

pornocchio wrote:I got another report coming on this guy. Give me a few minutes to review the replay.

Ok, be sure to post it in a new ban request and not in this thread.

KinG23 wrote:

pornocchio wrote:I got another report coming on this guy. Give me a few minutes to review the replay.

Ok, be sure to post it in a new ban request and not in this thread.

Done!

https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=71838

While his first death (~3 minutes in) was reckless, it is way too early to make a decision and !votekick him. So the first votekick was illegal.. Btw, he had every right to go middle.

~7 minutes in, participated in a little fight.

~10 minutes in, runs away from teammate instead of helping him.

~13 minutes in, he just kill creeps while his team is fighting

~16-17; Again, creeps while his team fights

~19; Kills bara after pushing bot tower

~20-22; Participates in a team fight


Overall, you your team simply tried to kick him out of anger because he wasn't played the way you wanted him to play. I have not seen any of you try to help/guide him either, but rather jumped on !votekick. While he's obviously not the best team player, he wasn't intentionally throwing.


Past minute ~35, while he did not defend mid, he actively tried to rax top lane and succeeded at some point. Since there was no clear instruction and light blue / brown were just raging for no reason, I won't blame him on that. Next time, try to be more open minded and help people before spamming votekicks and threats to teammates and those who refuse to kick.


Request denied.

User banned here; https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=71838