[DOTA] agreements @EUROPE

[Haunt]

@Michelle Moved to complaints.

Will check later, in library right now.

[Haunt]

Erhm, you do know that when people complain that admin abuses, it's supposed to be in complaints as we do not give away bans for abusing ingame powers...

I'm in a library right now, not going to watch replay.

Also, I'd prefer @aRt)Y or @nabo. would deal with this for obvious reasons.

[Jabba41]

If there is a such thing as a votekick abuse and a punishment for it, i'm sure there's a such thing as ban abuse.

-> claiming you abused.

[BiLyA]

I posted on this case, my post was approved and now it disappeared? What's happening?

[BiLyA]

It actually was. It was the log from another game where the same happened, but u didn't ban the one that abused vk against your teammate because u claimed he failed mid and u banned him instead for "blaming and failing", like that's a proper reason to ban someone. So I would like to know what changed on the rules between these 3 days that made a vk attempt vs someone that stated clearly he would not aid his team bannable. I can paste the whole post here. Your moves leave me confused about the rules forrealz, so I want to make it clear for everyone.

[Jabba41]

@BilyA This is a banrequest and not a complain in general as OP mentioned, if you think he violated rules in other games, post a seperate banrequest about it.

[rewarding]

She's obviously frustrated at your decision making for a hero that you played wrong. I don't know who started this retarded radiance enigma trend; it's not a good build at all. You could have farmed a Mek and Dagger over the Radiance which would have been a lot more useful to your team.

16 min relic could have been a 10 min Mek to a 15-16 min blink dagger. That's basically 2-3 potential teamfights that could have been won for Scourge by 24 mins. That's a huge advantage in the mid game, and this game could have been won by 34 mins. Luna isn't a late-late game carry anyway, and WD isn't that great late-game either.

The fact that you say "I'm not required to be pro with Enigma," is just selfish; you don't have to be a pro, but some level of competence is required for a game that's been out for like 10 years. Otherwise, you're screwing 4 other people that's gonna have to spend the next 30-50 mins with you.

Whenever your Black Hole comes off cd (200-180secs), you ask for a teamfight. Simple as that. You don't go and fuck off to the forest to farm, and then waste your precious ult.

And personally, I think you knew better on how to play enigma, but you chose not to. My two cents worth.

[LittlePine]

She's obviously frustrated at your decision making for a hero that you played wrong. I don't know who started this retarded radiance enigma trend; it's not a good build at all. You could have farmed a Mek and Dagger over the Radiance which would have been a lot more useful to your team.

16 min relic could have been a 10 min Mek to a 15-16 min blink dagger. That's basically 2-3 potential teamfights that could have been won for Scourge by 24 mins. That's a huge advantage in the mid game, and this game could have been won by 34 mins. Luna isn't a late-late game carry anyway, and WD isn't that great late-game either.

The fact that you say "I'm not required to be pro with Enigma," is just selfish; you don't have to be a pro, but some level of competence is required for a game that's been out for like 10 years. Otherwise, you're screwing 4 other people that's gonna have to spend the next 30-50 mins with you.

Whenever your Black Hole comes off cd (200-180secs), you ask for a teamfight. Simple as that. You don't go and fuck off to the forest to farm, and then waste your precious ult.

And personally, I think you knew better on how to play enigma, but you chose not to. My two cents worth.

Honestly it doesn't matter if he does know the correct or incorrect way, maybe he wanted to try something new? That has nothing to do with whether he was throwing or not throwing, abusing or not abusing. I think it was obvious he showed effort to play his role through out the game. ENT doesnt ban people for being noob, whether he is or isnt, they ban for not following the rules. Being noob isnt against the rules, ruining is, and he showed clear signs of effort, and somewhat trying to get involved in fights but with lack of team work led him to have a bad game, who doesn't have one of those?

[BeerLord]

So, after sorting through all of this drama, and having watched the game, I have come to an opinion.

Michelle I believe the votekick attempt against agreements was unjustified. Here are the rules from our wiki that define game ruin:
Do not ruin the game on purpose:
Do not teamkill (ex. blocking, maliciously using spells, destroying/hiding/stealing/massing items, selling towers, etc).
Do not go away from keyboard for an excessive amount of time, especially without telling other players beforehand, and/or refuse to play the game in an attempt to ruin it. Neither are you allowed to grief by resetting the afk timer.
Do not feed or suicide on purpose which negatively affects the game.
Do not save or pause the game while playing in order to distract players and hinder gameplay.
Do not ghost by leaking information to your enemies/opponents.
Do not purposely glitch or exploit the game.
If teammates shared control, do not abuse it.
And in addition to that there is:
It is possible to game ruin by being new. In this case, votekick will only be valid if the new player refuses to learn and cooperate. Just because someone is a newbie or bad does not mean he is intentionally game ruinning.
Also, it is possible to be considered a game ruiner if you refuse to cooperate with your allies.

This last one is the one that is open to interpretation, and can be a judgment call. Often times it is not, it is clearly evident, and an ingame votekick is appropriate. But is this instance, neither the play of agreements nor of drow "made it clearly evident". I will never ban someone for not playing the way another particular player would like him to. And I would caution you to be careful of basing a game ruin charge on a particular chat line. People talk all the time, all game long. We all hear players say thats it im afk im done etc, then continue to play. This happened in your game, when crixalis said "im done" at minute 7. Obviously, his game play indicated he wasnt.

A 2-6-2 enigma who has ulted 3 players in solo is not game ruining. By any definition. Likewise, neither is a 2-7 drow. My god drows build screamed noob, but nobody on sentinel ever offered help or suggestions, which is a requirement if you are going to votekick a noob thats feeding.

I am aware of the high emotions generated by this game, both ingame and afterwards. But with all respect, I have to deny this ban request.