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Reply to R.T.M.X because he closed my thread

Postby ripdog » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:03 am

Reply to: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=24701

I have not lied in my appeal and I resent the accusation.

If you actually read my post, I never claimed to have consensus. I said the reason I did what I did was to try and improve the game. Anyone in that game would have agreed that the titan was doomed, and I was trying to give him a chance.

I am appealing because I was naively attempting to improve the game, not "ruin" it. Also, the titan was not particularity benefited from my actions, and lost pretty soon after by suicide.

Yes, I've been dodging. There isn't a rule in viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4 about ban dodging. I dodge because I have no ruined a single game, and I always play in good faith.

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Re: Reply to R.T.M.X because he closed my thread

Postby TooNoobForU » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:07 am

there's a invisible rule saying that if you are "ban", you shouldn't be dodging it o-o (common sense)
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Re: Reply to R.T.M.X because he closed my thread

Postby Virulence » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:12 am

You never claimed consensus?
ripdog wrote:I don't want to get banned again because only 50% of the players agreed...


You also attempted to ruin the game by trying to overfeed him with fruits, but luckily he didn't go for it.

Also, each time you dodge, each time it'll get banned.
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Re: Reply to R.T.M.X because he closed my thread

Postby ripdog » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:24 am

Taking quotes out of context is fun! Unfortunately, it generally changes the meaning...

I have now read the rules, and in future I will ask for a vote before -exp. Or rather not play red at all. I don't want to get banned again because only 50% of the players agreed...


I attempted to fix the game by feeding him with fruits. He was *heavily* outclassed by all bases on the map, and he was inexperienced to boot.

there's a invisible rule saying that if you are "ban", you shouldn't be dodging it o-o (common sense)


It's common sense that actions taken in good faith which lead to no bad outcomes shouldn't be bannable. However, I got banned for actions made in good faith leading to no bad outcomes. Nobody was hurt, no games ruined. Still ban.

Common sense? Huh.

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Re: Reply to R.T.M.X because he closed my thread

Postby Virulence » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:30 am

@aRt)Y

I'm letting one of the higher ups take care of this. You don't deserve an unban.
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Re: Reply to R.T.M.X because he closed my thread

Postby -lothlorien » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:47 am

ripdog wrote:
It's common sense that actions taken in good faith which lead to no bad outcomes shouldn't be bannable. However, I got banned for actions made in good faith leading to no bad outcomes. Nobody was hurt, no games ruined. Still ban.

Common sense? Huh.


common sense? you speak of common sense? :D really?
when you are grounded by your parents..do they have to tell you that sneaking out is forbidden, too.. since if you did so their 'grounding you' would make no sense at all.

I am not a mod, but you speak of dodging without saying once you were sorry. I am not even sure you seem sorry for what you did in the first place.

Almost in every of your sentences there seem to be a subliminal auccusation of some kind. And all of them are unfair.

btw:
I have now read the rules, and in future I will ask for a vote before -exp. Or rather not play red at all. I don't want to get banned again because only 50% of the players agreed...


your "in future" does not really change the meaning. In my eyes not at all....yet your
Taking quotes out of context is fun! Unfortunately, it generally changes the meaning...

shows again the "nature" of your communication.
There is an idiom in German that says "the sound/tone makes the music". Sounds terrible in English..but maybe you get the point.
You made mistakes.. admit to yourself that it was wrong, say sorry without your hidden accusations..and ask to be unbanned because you do not want to repeat the mistakes.
(I hope I do not have to tell you, that you should mean it *since 'your' common sense is a little different and you expect people to tell you things that are actually crystal clear)

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Re: Reply to R.T.M.X because he closed my thread

Postby ripdog » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:59 am

when you are grounded by your parents..do they have to tell you that sneaking out is forbidden, too.. since if you did so their 'grounding you' would make no sense at all.


If I was grounded for smashing windows, I'd reflect on my actions and take my punishment. If I was grounded for rolling my eyes, I'd sneak out with great pleasure. I don't believe in obeying authority simply because it's authority. I obey authority when it's right.

I am not a mod, but you speak of dodging without saying once you were sorry. I am not even sure you seem sorry for what you did in the first place.


Should I be? I never caused any harm to anyone. What do I have to be sorry for? I broke a rule through ignorance, but if nobody was harmed, why should I feel guilty?

Almost in every of your sentences there seem to be a subliminal auccusation of some kind. And all of them are unfair.


I make one accusation, and that is that R.T.M.X accused me of lying when I was completely truthful.

your "in future" does not really change the meaning. In my eyes not at all....yet your


It completely changes the meaning. He thought I meant that I had a 50% consensus in the game I was banned for. I never claimed that. I was talking about hypothetical future games. Utterly different meaning. And no lies.

There is an idiom in German that says "the sound/tone makes the music". Sounds terrible in English..but maybe you get the point.


There's an easier way to say that. "I don't like your tone". And that's fine. I don't know why I shouldn't be testy, I was accused of being a liar after all.

You made mistakes.. admit to yourself that it was wrong, say sorry without your hidden accusations..and ask to be unbanned because you do not want to repeat the mistakes.


I think I laid out pretty fairly what I did, why I did it, and why I won't do it again. What do I have to apologise for? Who has been harmed by my actions?

Which games have been ruined? Am I going to be an asset to the ENT community or a liability? I think those are the questions that would lead to a decision on my ban. Would the word sorry change that decision? Perhaps. But I still feel that I have done nobody any harm, and have nothing to apologise for.

I do, however, apologise to anyone I have offended here. I did not plan to offend anyone, and I hope you'll accept my apologies if I have done so.

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Re: Reply to R.T.M.X because he closed my thread

Postby -lothlorien » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:53 am

sry evrybody for that long post.

I obey authority when it's right.

You mean, when you think it is right. Btw. Even in that case it would mean you disrespect your parents. And again with the example “rolling one’s eyes” you show how indifferent you are towards ruining someone’s games and rules.

Talking to you is in vain, because it is all up to your ethical standards that are not really high.
You ruined a game. Not really on purpose, but you did. You wronged your team, the people who told you not to do the things you did (if I remember right. If not, sorry.) With your example of rolling eyes you made it clear that you are not sorry for that.

Even if your first ban was harsh and not necessarily put, you should not have dodged it.. because..common sense. What would happen if everybody did this? Dodge a ban they feel is unfairly? Someone think it is ok to mh, since others do too. According to your reasoning it would be ok for that person to dodge a ban?
Why not breaking all rules on purpose we feel are not in place?
If your driver license was taken away.. you may feel it was unfair cuz, yes you haven been driving too fast…and you were the one misinterpreting the situation, but no (big) harm was done.. but if you drove without it again..and you were caught by the police again.. would you be so impudent to make it look like you are the victim of something?
What would happen if everybody decided to follow rules or not follow rules just because of their “feelings”? Common sense is that you do follow them if you want the system to work.
Ent wouldn’t be what it is if they allowed people like you to do whatever they feel like.


The rest I have only overflown. You harmed your team in the first place because there too you thought you know better than anyone else :mrgreen:
When you drive too fast, you dont need to kill a person to be punished. You may have even driven fast to bring your mom flowers, which is a nice thing. But driving too fast is against the rules. You break the rule, you get to "pay" for it. You dont have to feel it is right.

Please dont make me explain to you why it is for a community, a leagal system essential and crucial to follow rules even if you dont feel like it.(the importnat rule I talk about here is "not dodging") Ive already reached the limits of my English.. But i hope I don't, since this really is.. :arrow: common sense.

lets just not waste any time. If you are truly sorry for your dodging maybe you will have a chance.

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Re: Reply to R.T.M.X because he closed my thread

Postby Virulence » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:25 am

http://atl.entgaming.net/replay/view_re ... 934991.w3g

Reading the chat, you can tell that he never cared about his ban in the first place.

He's going to be treated with little to no respect from now on, since he doesn't care to respect whatever rules ENT has in place.

You have played over 50 games, and yet you claim "ignorance" that you didn't know about the rules regarding commands. You playing almost exclusively CF and ID makes that quite hard to believe.
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Re: Reply to R.T.M.X because he closed my thread

Postby aRt)Y » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:06 pm

It doesn't matter if the titan won or not. It is about the princip. Same for tome glitching, you simply do not do it.
Obviously, it slightly affects your ban duration depending on how much you violated the rules.

Concerning your case, you haven't asked for a voting.
(20:51 / Allied) BikiniBridge: implying i care

(Taken from the replay.)
Doesn't really show that you were sorry about it ingame. We do not want any reds ingame who think they can do whatever they want just because they're red.

It is also less about the fact of winning but about the time wasted by exp and froffing the titan. It only leads to stalling.

Your current ban keeps considering you dodged. I'll think about the duration for ban dodging - just let me tell you, dodging any further will get you even more into trouble.
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Re: Reply to R.T.M.X because he closed my thread

Postby aRt)Y » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:17 pm

@ripdog You can reappeal in 2 weeks which your current ban duration doubled for dodging.
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