Please look at this ban again

[Nonsensical]

Your Warcraft III username: annoyingjew
Realm/Gateway: useast
Why are you banned: game ruining (apparently?)
Why you should be unbanned:

This is the second time I've been banned wrongfully. Sure I farmed, but every single ult helped the team. If you watch the entire replay I'm not the only one farming. Sure I ks'd the first kill and let SB die, only after he did the exact same thing to me (you'd be pissed too, look at the replay). If I wanted to "throw" the game I would have intentionally fed, instead I farmed a refresher and ult'd to help the team every team battle. This SB posted this ban on me, yet I was the reason for so many of his kills and winning so many of the team battles. Not pushing with the team is not something that should be banned for 5 days nor constitutes as a "game ruining" ban...especially as a zeus, when my entire team was late game? what? I even have the most assists in this entire game. I'm seriously confused that this even went through.

Also, if you look at any of the games I may have left "too early" they were either when someone else had already game ruined by leaving, it was ending, or it was going to be drawn. And almost all of them are LTD games.. 3v4 is completely one sided in LTD.

The fact that you are judging that as more of a reason to ban me is a bit ridiculous. If I had intentionally fed or didn't help the team at all then yes I agree this should be a ban. But the fact that every single one of them was harassing me about pushing and not farming when half the time they weren't pushing or were farming is absolutely nonsense.

I waited 2 days to be unbanned for leaving too early and to me that sounds like enough of a ban for this too.

But...If you honestly think I deserve to be banned then fine, but at least look at the replay again and view it from my perspective.

[Arii]

@Nonsensical
Topic: viewtopic.php?t=95275

Please head to the wiki and find the rules you broke, then paste them here. Thank you

@Beerlord

[Nonsensical]

I went to the rules website and I did none of these things. I was banned for grieving/game ruining...As far as I can tell from the rules listed I shouldn't be banned, the only thing I did was farm woods for a refresher to have a double ulti, which I then went on to use for team battles.

http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?tit ... ming:Rules

[BeerLord]

this is what i said on your ban:
Zeus essentially stays in forest creeping from min 23 to min 36. At min 36 helps push top tower and dies, then goes back to creeping in forest. Finally comes out to help team at min 44. Has previous bans for game ruin.
annoyingjew banned 5 days for failure to cooperate with allies.

Note where it says 5 days for failure to cooperate with allies. That is the reason you were banned. The game ruining/greiving did not come from staff here, that was written on the request by the person requesting the ban.

[Nonsensical]

Wait, you're telling even though I helped the team win every battle with ults, had the most assists in the game, and choose to farm instead of pushing when clearly we had all late game carries is a 5 day ban?

I read these rules over again, there isn't a single mention of not agreeing with my teammates. It isn't my fault I had a different opinion on strategies, nor listed in the rules that this is against the rules.

Honestly, it just sounds like you wanted to come up with something to ban me for...

[Slomosapien]

20 minutes in jungle is absurd for any intel caster. Pushing with team is how games are won.. not by farming solo with support. That's not a strategy, that's griefing.

[Frank]

This actually looks retarded. You're catering to the noob players in the community by hosting em modes, yet you want to enforce rules as if these pubs games are professional games. Farming jungle for NO matter how long should not be bannable tbh unless u fail to defend your raxes while doing so. Its pretty absurd how u don't ban bad gameplay such as noobs autoattacking not pulling not warding pushing way out position,etc.. but yet you expect communication and coherence in pushing when the team demands it when half your player base doesn't know English. The funniest part is that he has the highest networth and probably was a major contributor to the win with 34 kill participation. If youre gona make a basis of comparison with how dota should be played with the likes of pro games in dota 2 then you should really ban for all aspects of the game not just a select few such as not pushing. Really seems hypocritical to me to ban this player when u have others who constantly feed game after game but they fall under a bracket of bad players who know no english and their team cant even votekick them cuz its bannable to be bad at dota. Mr. zeus here can claim hes bad at dota and doesnt feel safe to push until hes ready with his strategy/items.

[Nonsensical]

I'm just saying if you're going to ban me... which I was banned for "not cooperating with teammates" then add it to your list of rules. Because clearly even though I farmed jungle for that long I used my gold to buy a refresher and participate in the team fights. I did not break any rules and as far as I'm concerned this is a far better option than just leaving because I was annoyed at my team. They continuously told me they were going to ban me from minute one and onward, which in itself was annoying and I still didn't leave the game and helped with team fights. Yet if I had left the game I would have been autobanned instead, which is two hours vs. now is "5 days". This was a WINNING GAME and yet I'm banned because I prolonged the game, if my team had actually pushed once together I would have ulti'd...This is apparent in every major battle. The choices in banning when I didn't technically break a rule, only chose to extend the game is ridiculous. And even if this was a griefing ban, which it isn't, I would have had to contribute nothing to the team, which as Frank pointed out "he has the highest networth and probably was a major contributor to the win with 34 kill participation".

You give far too much leniency to people who simply leave the game, yet my choice to farm woods and get a refresher is banned. I cannot control when my teammates choose to push and they felt like they couldn't even do that without me. When I was zeus. I do 640 dmg with a click of a button, and with a refresher twice that.

[BeerLord]

Zeus essentially stays in forest creeping from min 23 to min 36. At min 36 helps push top tower and dies, then goes back to creeping in forest. Finally comes out to help team at min 44. Has previous bans for game ruin.
annoyingjew banned 5 days for failure to cooperate with allies.

Again, this is unacceptable. Zeus has far more to offer in a game than ulting from the woods. Your game stats are not relevant here because your assists come from ulting. From the woods. For 20-25 minutes.

[Nonsensical]

I still think this is a matter of opinion, if you would look at me as a non-global hero and I farmed that much with say PA or something then came to the team battles this would not be a ban. Honestly I do not plan on playing anymore dota on ENT because the level of play is so bad, it has gone downhill dramatically..yes, in this particular game I added to it. I'm not disagreeing with you there. But I would go as far as to say you should almost enforce this more as a "team game" if you choose to ban it like that. There are so many people who contribute far less to games and are just accepted because they are bad at the game.

I just wanted to make a point, this is the second time this has happened. You penalize players that are actually good at the game and know how to play it for messing around and then let noobs go around feeding and nothing happens. It only goes as far to make people leave to play dota 2, which after this that is exactly what I'm going to do.

My action of not ending the game and not pushing was unacceptable sure I guess. It just added 20 minutes to the game.

[Nonsensical]

Honestly I think adding a 1200+ elo bot for dota would hopefully lead more of the better players to want to play dota 1 more and teach the shittier players the roles of their heroes. Although I don't know if the numbers would allow for it anymore. If there was a bot like that I would probably jump on-board with that idea. At least then the quality of play would increase and you can host it as either AP or RD or even maybe CM to try to bridge the gap between em, non-em, and dota 2. It's an idea at least..

Right now dota is entirely catered to noobs, which if you look at LTD by comparison there is an entire community of good players who play on a 1200+ bot.

[BeerLord]

If by penalize players who are actually good at the game you mean we ban them when they break the rules, then yes. I agree. As we do with bad players. I understand your frustrations, and hope that you continue to play here.
Unbanned.