Ban Abuse #2 Story title - Targeted Shadow-

[ShadowFrosT]

Your Warcraft III username: CrimsonShadow
Realm/Gateway: Euro
Why are you banned: The vendetta of haz0
Why you should be unbanned: Lying about lying
I have broken no such rules. Dear readers, I know you you enjoyed the first post about the abuse. By hazos request, I bring you another.
He went out of his way to ban me but failed to site the violation. Now, most of you are wondering, as am I, is the ban justified or is this indeed a hunt for the shadow. Let me tell you my tale. The tale which I can only guess upon because there was no evidence provided with the ban.
It was a intense game against ross. Near the end he simply let the kyuu kill the towers if you watch the game. he baited them and let them destroy the towers. I have made the statement if they don't ff hazo said this is a ban. THis is probs where I got this ban. Just guessing. HOWEVER, in a previous game with haz0 as a ally. He specifically wrote - This will be considered a ban if you don't ff- I was with him that game and they indeed did ff. So if you were going to ban me for repeating what a admin states as law that's pretty low. After persuing the American dream and working hard to only find that I can not play nwu on my day off is quite sad. The first instance might be by mistake but this is just outright discrimination.

Since being a victim of abuse I already know what you are going to ask.

Do not deceive players about rules in an attempt to get them banned (note, !draw is not an obligation, but a vote).
This is only a assumption on the ban details.

I now have a audience of people who read my previous post and knew that one was a lie.
Your actions will determine the fate of nwu and its perspective of its players.
So do tell the nwu community just what is going on with the abuse. Everyone is watching.
You made a post on why nwu is dying. here is why.
Failure to fix the kyuu glitch after a extended duration of time.
Failure to maintain the justice in the nwu community.

[Mercy]

Okay; so tl;dr

You lied about cause for a ban, (lying about rules to force a result - bannable) and got banned. Don't need to give us a wall of text, just state what the assumed rule is that you broke.

Are you also CrimsonShadow@ Europe?
@Hazardous

[ShadowFrosT]

Yes. I did not lie about cause for a ban. lying?

[HazarDous]

(58:14 / All) CrimsonShadow: hazo said its bannable if you dont ff
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 199248.w3g

Did you, or did you not say that?

He specifically wrote - This will be considered a ban if you don't ff- I was with him that game and they indeed did ff. So if you were going to ban me for repeating what a admin states as law that's pretty low.

I never said that. You'll have to provide the replay to back up your claims.

[ShadowFrosT]

Yes you have. Isnt it proof that in the same game you banned me you also banned the people who did not ff? You are really going to make me go through the effort of searching for the game where you stated that?

[LTDNorb]

Okay; so tl;dr

You lied about cause for a ban, (lying about rules to force a result - bannable) and got banned. Don't need to give us a wall of text, just state what the assumed rule is that you broke.

Are you also CrimsonShadow@ Europe?
@Hazardous

Your Warcraft III username: CrimsonShadow
Realm/Gateway: Euro
Why are you banned: The vendetta of haz0
Why you should be unbanned: Lying about lying

[Hatedmaru]

Considering the mentioned names (Getmamak and Shadowfrost), im almost sure hes speaking of this game: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 183612.w3g , however although the glitch occured (both towers died, causing main to become invulnerable), there was no claim of "bannable if you don't ff" (Yes they !ff when requested, but no ban mention was done there - Feel free to read after 52:00)

Or i'll just spoil the chat:

(53:49 / All) GetMamaK: ff pls
(53:57 / All) GetMamaK: thx darth
(54:19 / All) GetMamaK: Forfeit, please.
(54:53 / All) GetMamaK: sigh
(55:08 / All) GetMamaK: Why would you not ff
(55:09 / All) GetMamaK: I don't get it
(56:56 / All) GetMamaK: neji, did u ff?
(57:09 / All) GetMamaK: Neji, care to explain?
(57:30 / All) GetMamaK: thanks.

I deleted the rest of the chat (from other players, you can still see it in the mentioned replay)

[Albi]

I'm in shadow's side on this.. I was banned because I didn't ff in the same game as him. Since I'm banned as well as everyone in the game , shadow is right!

[ShadowFrosT]

That's not the game... I'm going to type it out like this so maybe itll make more sense

1. I stated in the game that whoever didn't ff would be banned.
2. Everyone who didn't ff is now currently banned.
So if I was lying how come number #2 is true then?

[LTDNorb]

Probably because they abused the glitch?!
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=95860

[Hatedmaru]

That's not the game... I'm going to type it out like this so maybe itll make more sense

1. I stated in the game that whoever didn't ff would be banned.
2. Everyone who didn't ff is now currently banned.
So if I was lying how come number #2 is true then?

Well you're claiming a moderator told you ingame it was bannable if they don't !ff, so to accuse/claim something, you better have evidence of it (Thats the most recent game i can find that would match what you said: You were banned in that game for the TK deny + they !ff due to the invulnerable glitch)

And their ban occured due to the intentional glitch exploit (One thing is pushing to win (pushing with team, creeps, etc) at once, and it happens, not intentionally trying to exploit it, another is purposely trying to cause it as they did, and therefore got banned, for purposed glitch exploit - I could be wrong here, but im almost sure thats the reason why they got banned)

[HazarDous]

Correct ^

You're making a big story out of nothing.

Just tell me you won't lie about rules again and I'll unban you.

[Albi]

LOL ^ are you for real now ? If i say I won't exploit the glitch will you unban me too ? What is this ... You either unban everyone or none

[ShadowFrosT]

Yeah. If you didn't know about it you would ff cause the game is lost.
Playing on from the point of the glitch you knew about it and are capitalizing on it.
Also, Why cant you admins see that you are making nwu impossible to play anymore.
Is it such a massive offense that you need to ban me for two days over this? let alone at all?
There are many people who are not satisfied on such petty bans. You will see them.
To add, ross doesn't really have a point. You think it was a team effort to use glitch as a ban?
I bet a few of team 2 had no idea what was going on and yet they are banned.
Youre making it a un enjoyable game and I hoped I wouldn't see the day nwu would be ending
Already, I have messages from fellow players wanting to go to dota or another game because I'm banned on nwu.

[ShadowFrosT]

I wont talk about any of the rules anymore. Ill just team chat with the players.
I'm really just trying to enjoy nwu. As well as the other players.

I would really like to make nwu great again. I suggest that nwu and the admins have a open dialogue
about the life of nwu.

Like a weekly nwu update letter to read and find out whats going on in the nwu world.
I'm sure this would avoid many problems

Could you unban team 2 as well? I don't think just because ross used the glitch they should be banned.
except keep ross banned cause he threw his whole team under the buss lel.

Could we reach that agreement and take new steps forward? New start if you will? Where we can all contribute to the nwu community?