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Your Warcraft III username: [PnCC]Namoral
Realm/Gateway: server.eurobattle.net
Why are you banned: Refused to push with team at basically all markers. (this is not the rule).
Why you should be unbanned: My reasons below.

Topic link: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=101487

The moderator SeriouslyStrange are not following the rules. The rules say: Do not go away from keyboard for an excessive amount of time, Especially without telling Beforehand other players, and / or refuse to play the game in an attempt to ruin it. Neither are you allowed to grief by resetting the AFK timer.

1- The moderator SeriouslyStrange being abusive when he says: Postby SeriouslyStrange » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:32 am Bottom line is: If your team is pushing and you decide not to push; i WILL ban you.

2- The rule is clear about the intention to ruin, and it is clear that the intention was another.

3- The decision of a single player can not be considered the decision of the entire team. Only one player complained of my extrategia, so I might as well I can keep folling my extrategia.

4- Often when necessary and possible, 2, 3 or 4 players are atacking while another player is performing another function, such as defend the base or evolve in the jungle. Not smart all perform the same function in a game, especially when it isnt necessary.

5- Never stopped cooperating with the team. I continued working with another function, when necessary and i was near i came to help the team. Now because it was not the function that only a single player insisted it was, then because of this I need to be banned? And one more time, where is: in an attempt to ruin it?

6- You have to watch the game and pay atention the actions to see it all.

I'm using google translator. My lines sometimes hurt me during the game because my English is limited and I do not how to properly express myself, then use the available limited vocabulary..

YOUR intention was to "break fountain".
Your team's intention was to simply win.
You decided not to push when they were.
@[PnCC]Namoral

SeriouslyStrange wrote:YOUR intention was to "break fountain".
Your team's intention was to simply win.
You decided not to push when they were.
@[PnCC]Namoral

Well man, i posting here to leasten another moderator opinion. And as I said before, this is not against the rules.
The rule say: Do not go away from keyboard for an excessive amount of time, especially without telling other players beforehand, and/or refuse to play the game in an attempt to ruin it. Neither are you allowed to grief by resetting the afk timer.

Can you show me which rules say that i can not decide to not push when my team are? SeriouslyStrange can you honest say that my itention was do not play the game in attempt to ruin it?

SeriouslyStrange wrote:YOUR intention was to "break fountain".
Your team's intention was to simply win.
You decided not to push when they were.
@[PnCC]Namoral

As you said, my intention was to break fontain, this logically means that I kept playing the game and helping my team, but there is no obligation has to be present when the team is rushing, because there are other things to do in the game, as a defense, roshan, put ward, jungle and more. Answear my last question please.

Let me make this as clear as I can:
You not pushing with team is game ruining; specially when your team wants to end.
You not pushing means they have one less player to rely on.
Dota is a team game. You refusing to play as a team, ruins the game.
It is as simple as that.
No moderator will unban you, specially since you kept farming when your team wanted to end.
Even worse is the fact that you see nothing wrong with what you did.
@[PnCC]Namoral

SeriouslyStrange wrote:Let me make this as clear as I can:
You not pushing with team is game ruining; specially when your team wants to end.
You not pushing means they have one less player to rely on.
Dota is a team game. You refusing to play as a team, ruins the game.
It is as simple as that.
No moderator will unban you, specially since you kept farming when your team wanted to end.
Even worse is the fact that you see nothing wrong with what you did.
@[PnCC]Namoral

SeriouslyStrange
You are using as basis the fact that the opinion of only one person of a team of 5 people is the opinion of the entire team. Only one player complained of my strategy, why do not realize that? Take a look the game chat. And why not comments my questioning in the beginning of the post?

There are many different strategy to play dota and not one, that you use as an argument can not be used in this case because it is clear that the intention was not to ruin the game. If you believe that ruin the game it is to stop to rush when the team is rushing, I suggest you put this in the rules so that everyone can see and follow, after all, otherwise we will never know what is and what is not intended to ruin the game for you . I can not follow a rule that is not at the websit. You are being rude to ask me that.

I thought that here I would hear a second opinion, another moderator opinion. Because you can not see what is clear and evident in all the game. Your opinion I already know and is clearly wrong, I would like to hear, whit possible, another opinion of some other moderator or administrator.

Why dont you follow your own rules?
Why dont you answer my comments at the beginning of the post?

I am not asking unban, I am looking for justice because I believe Ent team is a serious team, I want to prove that I was not trying to ruin the game and you are wrong in your decision. I play dota more than 15 years, i never used hack, and i never was banned for any reason, to get disconect or anything like this it is normal, but other reason like game ruin or mh never.

To ruin
transitive verb
1. Determine the ruin; to destroy.
2. [Figured] spoil.
verb pronominal
3. Falling in ruins.
4. [Figured] Losing fortune.
"Ruin" in Priberam Dictionary of the Portuguese Language [online], 2008-2013, http://www.priberam.pt/dlpo/arruinar [accessed on 03.11.2016].
"Google translate words."

Translating in other words, to try to ruin the game in this case it is to try to make my team lost the game. It is clear and evident throughout the game I was all the time cooperating to my team won, but it was a different strategy of a single player strategy who complained about mine. The opinion of a single and only a single person can not represent the opinion of 3 others players and of course my opinion. As none of the other 3 people team spoke positively or negatively on any of the placed strategy in the game, then it is obvious that they did not care and also saw no need to place on any of them because the game was obviously gain any way.

Whit you cant see this at the game, I suggest you try another function in Ent, because using your personal views on the rules you are not being fair to the players. We can not follow rules that are not explicit at the web sit.

Please do not think or understand that I am being rude, I just know what happened, I know what my intentions were, I know how it was that I acted and I know what the rules are. I firmly believe that you are wrong in your judgment and I'm fighting for it, because I believe that justice is the best for everyone, whether in a game or anywhere else. And in this case you're not being fair, or perhaps can not see it.

After watching the replay, I agree with SeriouslyStrange. You jungled for like 25 minutes straight and didn't help your team at all.

Seeing as 4 of them were trying to push, I don't think it was one user's opinion that you should push. Refusing to help allies for such a long time is refusal to play. Would you like it if someone joined your game and jungled the entire game, leaving you 4v5?

I have nothing personal against you, I've never even played with you. The only reason I left this open is because I want to help you. I want you to learn what you did wrong so you don't do it again and get banned (and maybe get unbanned early this time). No moderator here has anything personal with you.

And stop using bold. BBCode isn't meant to be spammed.

EdgeOfChaos wrote:Seeing as 4 of them were trying to push, I don't think it was one user's opinion that you should push. Refusing to help allies for such a long time is refusal to play. Would you like it if someone joined your game and jungled the entire game, leaving you 4v5?

I have nothing personal against you, I've never even played with you. The only reason I left this open is because I want to help you. I want you to learn what you did wrong so you don't do it again and get banned (and maybe get unbanned early this time). No moderator here has anything personal with you.

And stop using bold. BBCode isn't meant to be spammed.

EdgeOfChaos

Help me to understand please.

You understand that the 3 other team players even going to rush without having matched it in the chat, even just a person pronouncing in favor of it as the intention of the team right?
I say the other 3 players because the other two players are the one who proposed to rush fast and the other is I who proposed to destroy the fontain.
Is that right?

I also ask for you: to destroy the source would also be necessary to try to keep the weakest possible opponent? And it would not be necessary to prevent them going to creep at the map, occasionally killing and destroying their buildings while the tanker ends his build? Since the behavior of the other three members, while not having vote approving or disapproving any of the ideas can be used for both proposals, we can not understand that they too would be in favor of destroying the fontain? And especially not opposing the idea of ​​destroying it and leaving a player in the jungle during the time required to build your build? The normal when someone disagrees with a particular situation is that person a decision as did the player who opened the request for ban. Since SK, he continued to follow in building your build, and that in the next two situations from time SK was help the team killing in the middle and bot, remember to thank the help of Gyro. There would be those relevant to say whether it was intended to ruin the game? Is the only thing important the time that SK was in the jungle?

Since the other three members did not comment in favor or disfavor any proposals, attitudes serving both proposals, and especially none of the other 3 members not showing disapproval since the human being when he agrees can not even say anything, but when he disagrees with normal is it to pronounce. Finally, remaining SK in its initial proposal and having it left to rush with the team only when the team was already strong enough not to need his presence, before all this and more the fact that the rules do not are specific, which makes clear need a deeper analysis of the whole game and all the facts, before all this, I can not understand why even say it was an attempt to ruin the game. Not to mention several other elements that questioned several times in this post. Gives the impression of a superficial analysis of the facts given the volume of request.

Sorry either speech, do I use google translator and fix one or two things that I know is wrong. And when told about the personal side, I referred to seriousstranger moderador because he some times conveys the idea that he was not enjoying my arguments. As for using bold, use in its correct function, to ask attention to certain words or parts of the text, use bold when I want to tell to the reader that this passage is important, as well as anyone.

@[PnCC]Namoral So let's break this down so I can give you some better clarity into the matter -

I would like to say, first off, the ban is correct. What you did does violate various ENT rules which do not specifically fit into a category but in a general-based term, sum up a form of game ruining.
http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?tit ... ming:Rules

Do not ruin the game on purpose:

Do not teamkill (ex. blocking, maliciously using spells, destroying/hiding/stealing/massing items, selling towers, etc).
Do not go away from keyboard for an excessive amount of time, especially without telling other players beforehand, and/or refuse to play the game in an attempt to ruin it. Neither are you allowed to grief by resetting the afk timer.

Basically, what the primary rule states is to not ruin the game, we do give specifics for more in-depth information regarding it but in terms of actually falling under this rule, It's ruled case-by-case.

Your ban is legitimate, it's not abuse nor is it invalid. Refusing to help your team in a 5v5 team-intensive game, especially one as competitive as the DotA-scene, can indeed come off as game ruining/team-killing.

Moving forward, I did watch the replay and I do agree with both moderators (EdgeOfChaos, SeriouslyStrange) that you just farmed, you did not cooperate nor did you listen to your fellow teammate. You ignored any push attempts at their base, you only killed when you were alone. You did not play a team game, you played your own game and that's not what DotA is about.

Since most of your argument is based-on how you did your own thing and no one had an issue with it/only one person spoke up - Just because only one was speaking directly, does not mean the others supported your actions. For instance - Was sniper farming jungle? Was sky farming jungle? Was gyro farming jungle? No. They were trying to push and end the game. If you won't play with a team in a team game, then DotA isn't your type of game.

I don't know how any more clear I can be to you but as the 3rd staff member to approach this appeal, I stand by this ban. You are free to appeal further, my recommendation is to cooperate/perhaps give a thought to your actions of this game.

No response, ban expires in 6 hours.