Abuse Power TakeNrun

[Azog]

Well i think this is abuse of power bc as far as i know admins dont should ban leaver only if he ruin games now Kiba.Legends get dc or something and it was when game just start for me he dont ruin the game i call draw but some guy say:
00:21 / All) PerfectCell.: ban him
(00:23 / Allied) SUPER8: motherfucker
(00:24 / Allied) Azog(: review of what?
(00:26 / Allied) SjN]Danzo: -c 3000
(00:27 / Allied) RharH: on ft.yonda
(00:31 / Allied) Azog(: ahh okay
(00:33 / All) PerfectCell.: and unban gk =p
And few segs later
(00:48 / Allied) RharH: !tban kiba.legend leaving
(00:48 / All) AwakenedBeing: Player [Kiba.LegenD] was banned by player [RharH] on server [europe.battle.net].
I think he should let Autoban handle it bc Kiba.legend have good stay percent so he dont leave on pourpose for nothing i think admins need a good reason for ban some one not only bc some one tell it or bc maybe he have personal problems agaisnt him for me he dont deserve that ban that's all here's the replay , and btw ivee seen how other admins have leavers on he's games and they dont ban bc autoban handle that bans , i remenber one game i was with @matdas my team had 2 leavers and he just let autoban handle it even when ppl say ban i think that's the attitud from an admin
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=1963310

[BouncingHitman]

Well, it's not abuse? He used it once and he probably didn't know, but it is against the rules:
@TakeNRun

WIP

Ban length guide

• Leaving
  
  • Do not ban for leaving, the bot would take care of this.

[Virulence]

@BouncingHitman @EdgeOfChaos How long are bans made by !tban exactly? Aren't they like 4 hours or something? Maybe he did it so autoban wouldn't hit him for possibly much longer.

But I don't see the abuse in it, though.

[Taggin]

he done this same in this game
http://atl.entgaming.net/replay/view_re ... 936397.w3g
14:38 / Allied) RharH: !tban nana01
(14:38 / All) NewStyle-: Player [nana01] was banned by player [RharH] on server [asia.battle.net].

[Azog]

Well, it's not abuse? He used it once and he probably didn't know, but it is against the rules:
@TakeNRun

WIP

Ban length guide

• Leaving
  
  • Do not ban for leaving, the bot would take care of this.

I think he need to watch how many times that user leave mb he leave once in 1week i think it dont deserve ban and @bouncinghitman i think he do it more then once i ve heard from other guy he did it couple times ill search the replays

[matdas]

The player left at 18/1642 with a high stay rate. I don't blame him for banning. As all situations are different. The guy probably didn't like his heroes. He ruined the game completely by leaving the game. I wouldn't think of this as anything serious. So what that he gets banned an extra few hours when others get far worse? If he wants an appeal he can come to the forums.

[EdgeOfChaos]

@BouncingHitman @EdgeOfChaos How long are bans made by !tban exactly? Aren't they like 4 hours or something? Maybe he did it so autoban wouldn't hit him for possibly much longer.

But I don't see the abuse in it, though.

I'll comment on the rest later. !tban is 4 hours.

[teller55]

Banning for leaving should never be done. There is an autoban for a reason. If he wants to ban someone for shorter than what they deserve with autoban, he should wait for the person to appeal the ban after 4 hours and then accept the appeal. You should never ban for leaving.

Again, TakeNRun is a newer moderator, so he may not know that he isn't supposed to (because he didn't read the post that BH quoted). In the future, just let the autoban take care of leavers.

[Azog]

Banning for leaving should never be done. There is an autoban for a reason. If he wants to ban someone for shorter than what they deserve with autoban, he should wait for the person to appeal the ban after 4 hours and then accept the appeal. You should never ban for leaving.

Again, TakeNRun is a newer moderator, so he may not know that he isn't supposed to (because he didn't read the post that BH quoted). In the future, just let the autoban take care of leavers.

@teller55
I think he know the rules admins already warn him about using commands in lobby for swap and now he ban on games , that's agaisnt rules as far as i know and this 2 replays it's only from users who decide report him i dont mind how much times he do it mb more.

[EdgeOfChaos]

I just unbanned him. @TakeNRun. Banning commands should not be used on leavers unless they do something like destroying all their items before leaving (or otherwise violate a rule other than leaving)

By the way: The user is still banned by autoban, even if he's banned by !tban. Check his ban history:
autoban autoban: left at 18/1642 [ENT] NWU -sdsm #68 2013-08-30 00:00:00 30 Aug 2013 17:06:12 BST Expired

rharh leaving [ENT] NWU -sdsm #68 2013-08-30 00:00:00 30 Aug 2013 20:08:20 BST Unban by edgeofchaos: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15179

So autoban still banned after rhar banned. And that expired normally, but the ban by rhar was still in place.

The player left at 18/1642 with a high stay rate. I don't blame him for banning. As all situations are different. The guy probably didn't like his heroes. He ruined the game completely by leaving the game. I wouldn't think of this as anything serious. So what that he gets banned an extra few hours when others get far worse? If he wants an appeal he can come to the forums.

Uakf.b's guidelines for banning say we should never use the commands to add extra time, because the bot automatically takes care of bans for leaving.

[BouncingHitman]

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I just unbanned him. @TakeNRun. Banning commands should not be used on leavers unless they do something like destroying all their items before leaving (or otherwise violate a rule other than leaving)

By the way: The user is still banned by autoban, even if he's banned by !tban. Check his ban history:
autoban autoban: left at 18/1642 [ENT] NWU -sdsm #68 2013-08-30 00:00:00 30 Aug 2013 17:06:12 BST Expired

rharh leaving [ENT] NWU -sdsm #68 2013-08-30 00:00:00 30 Aug 2013 20:08:20 BST Unban by edgeofchaos: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15179

So autoban still banned after rhar banned. And that expired normally, but the ban by rhar was still in place.

The player left at 18/1642 with a high stay rate. I don't blame him for banning. As all situations are different. The guy probably didn't like his heroes. He ruined the game completely by leaving the game. I wouldn't think of this as anything serious. So what that he gets banned an extra few hours when others get far worse? If he wants an appeal he can come to the forums.

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Uakf.b's guidelines for banning say we should never use the commands to add extra time, because the bot automatically takes care of bans for leaving.

This issue should not be put to processed unless TakeNRun has been talked to, I would like @TakeNRun to read the following of this topic and I would need him to post his argument.

[Yondaime]

This honestly is not a huge abuse of power, it barely is even what I would call abuse. I have banned leavers with the bot commands in the past as there are some times that the autoban does not ban the person who should have been banned (this has happened too me)

[supersexyy]

So you can determine how the auto leave banning system works better than a bot @Yondaime ??

[TimmyTheTauren]

Close before staff erupts in argument pls.

Don't let it happen again, warning. Closed. l2moderate

[BouncingHitman]

Close before staff erupts in argument pls.

Don't let it happen again, warning. Closed. l2moderate

In this case I agree with Mr. Timmy here , but the admin should still be talked to for breaking a rule.