Azeroth Wars Versions

[Rhemar]

After talking to many others in the Diplomunion community, we have decided to reveal to the ENT community that any version which is released by Rhemar is not a proper version because Rhemar hijacked the map from SteakOnSpear who was the original editor of version 1.88g and before. Here is the evidence:

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After Rhemar took over the map, there are more bugs than ever compared to anything SteakOnSpear released in the past and he included more factors which broke the game balance. Until a proper version is released, I suggest that any version which is released by Rhemar is ignored because it is a stolen product not to mention the amount of bugs and balance breaking content in the map. I have not posted this on Diplomunion.com because Rhemar is the current mod for the AWLR section, and any post that reveals the truth about how the map was stolen such as this gets deleted, he has deleted many posts in the past regarding this.

This is nothing more than a lie. SteakOnSpear gave the map to me and if it is necessary I will get him here to tell you himself. 1.89b is out right now, all the bugs have been fixed and the version is perfectly stable so there is no reason not to update the map. Some people dislike some of the changes I've made and because of that they are trying to sabotage me and my work. I haven't deleted a single post that discussed these matters as anyone who goes on Diplomunion can see, all of it was discussed on multiple threads and all of them can still be read by anyone. Hopefully you will update the map now, if not tell me what do I need to do to prove that I am the rightful editor and I will do it.

[Ordo]

Hello there folks. All I came here to say that this is disgusting lie. Person that wrote this is know also as FrozenGrip, a player that doesn't like the current changes in the map and he wanted to create his own version with a couple of other people but unfortunately none he knows can edit Warcraft 3 so he resorted into this foul backstabbing. Rhemar is now official editor as you can see here in this discussion: http://diplomunion.com/index.php?threads/im-done.17517/ where SteakOnSpear himself says he leaves the map in Rhemar's hands. Also ZERO threads have been deleted over the last months let alone some "reveal" conspiracy nonsense. I am very sorry your community got dragged into this kid's lies.

[Sindlad]

1.89b still have many bugs, Rhemar added more bugs and imbalances to the map such as seige wagons cant go outside base portal as red. I played some games in 1.89b with bro and now we feel that evil can easily kill everything by using rush because blue start with so many units and gold. Also Rhemar didnt fix big bugs like teleporting to mastery buildings and he made outland neutral hostile stronger to point of teal losing important hero and all army when attacking neutral hostile. There are still many more problems in 1.89b, please keep ent at 1.88g.

[Ordo]

Stop being such a blind hater Sindlad. 1.88g was FAR MORE bugged than anything Rhemar ever released so don't lie here. I tested it all, you have no idea how much broken stuff we fixed that was probably not visible to the eye of a normal player. You obviously can't let go and just don't like the new changes but that's just how the map works- it evolves. Sure, there are still things to be fixed. But with your logic ENT would forever stay with some old more balanced version. Why didn't you come complaining when SteakOnSpear released 4 fixes for 1.86, 5(!) fixes for 1.87 and 7(!) for 1.88?

[Rhemar]

There is no point in us arguing here and I very much doubt the ENT admins are interested in reading Diplo's silly arguments. The map right now is perfectly playbale, like every other AWLR version it has some balance issues but there are no game breaking bugs that would prevent normal gameplay. Don't discuss it further, if ENT wants to update the map they should do it, if not I would love to know what is stopping them from doing so so I can get the map up as soon as possible.

[Nocturnal]

Hello, my name is Nocturnal and I play Azeroth Wars regularly on ent41. I have tried some games of 1.89b on makemehost.com and I found it to be very imbalanced and filled with strange bugs. I have talked to some other players who play regularly on the ent41 and most people agree that 1.88g is better because it is much more balanced with much lesser bugs. In 1.89b or 1.89a which was released by Rhemar, it feels that the creeps are stronger than the players and it is not Azeroth Wars anymore because Azeroth Wars had always been players versus players for the most part and not players versus creeps. I heard that there was a discussion going on about which Azeroth Wars version to be hosted on ent41 so I came here to share some of my opinions as someone who plays often on ent41 .

[Joffrey]

First of all, hello everyone! I'm Joffrey, an editor of the previous generation of Azeroth Wars LR. I hear people here crying a lot about the current versions, but really compared to our versions, Rhemar's clearly done a much better job. As someone with actual EXPERIENCE in editing and the gameplay of AWlr, I can say that Rhemar has fixed a TON of bugs and many balance issues and also brought in some new content. In other words, the map is just fine and I support Rhemar about his decisions so far. Morever, people say that Rhemar "stole" the map from SteakOnSpear but that's something people want to say, without being true. SteakOnSpear willingly gave up his position as an editor of the map and Rhemar took over as the only editor left in the editing team.

I humbly ask the administrators of ENT to support Rhemar, as I do and start uploading HIS versions of Azeroth Wars in their bot and completely ignore everyone who were just fanboys of the old versions and are so blind by them, that they can't see the truth in the gameplay of those versions.

[Thoradin]

For those of you wondering about the topic of theft, I would like to show this image where SteakOnSpear personally accuses Rhemar on Diplomunion.com for theft:



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Joffrey is not mentioned as an current editor for the legacy reborn team because he has long since retired before 1.88g and was taking a long break in editing. 1.89b is filled with many bugs and the fights are unbalanced for example teal rushing darkgreen and defeating him in the first minute mark as proven by many of the legacy reborn players on the ent bot. I suggest the ent administrators to heed the voice of the ent players rather than some thief who is eager to trick ent into hosting his own broken spinoff of legacy reborn.

[Ordo]

For those of you wondering about the topic of theft, I would like to show this image where SteakOnSpear personally accuses Rhemar on Diplomunion.com for theft:



Joffrey is not mentioned as an current editor for the legacy reborn team because he has long since retired before 1.88g and was taking a long break in editing. 1.89b is filled with many bugs and the fights are unbalanced for example teal rushing darkgreen and defeating him in the first minute mark as proven by many of the legacy reborn players on the ent bot. I suggest the ent administrators to heed the voice of the ent players rather than some thief who is eager to trick ent into hosting his own broken spinoff of legacy reborn.

What would you like to accomplish here with this post? There is no other editor to Legacy Reborn. There is no spin off. Rhemar is now official editor whether you like it or not. All former editors (Steak, Joffrey and Dave) willingly let him take over after their versions were not very well received by the community.

And seriously? 1.89b filled with bugs? It has like 1/3 of the bugs that are in 1.88g you so willingly defend (hello not working dalaran gate). And fight imbalances? Oh dont't get me started there. Have you ever tried druids of the fang in 1.88g? That unit can solo whole world if you spam it enough. Also if any of you wants to use the "1.88g had less bugs" argument then please view this thread http://diplomunion.com/index.php?thread ... log.17510/ to see how "bug free" your beloved version you keep defending had.

[Krotos]

Hello everyone!

My name is Krotos and I am the current editor of Dark Ages of Warcraft! First of all, thank you ENT Gaming for prodiving your hosting bots as they are a boon to Warcraft 3 community as a whole!

With that being said...I was informed about this thread as it raised quite a lot of questions between people on Diplomunion - where the AWLR boards reside - and thought I should step in after reading a bunch of posts here.

Not many people are aware that once Steak, Joffrey and Dave took over AWLR, I was assisting Joffrey with a handful of triggers. Some things went well, some things went bad. The point is that while guiding him, I indirectly helped him with a good bunch of broken triggers that would go into the map.

When Joffrey departed to edit DAoW, there was nobody left to do damage control in the triggers and object data as Joffrey was the only person to playtest changes before release. Let's be honest here, Steak and Dave weren't created for triggering or implementing changes in object editor. I had an extensive look into 1.88g and a lot of things people mention here about 1.89b are the leftovers from 1.88g, Succubus' "infinite ticks" shadow strike being the prime example.

What I'm trying to say here is you're all judging Rhemar and accusing him of bugs he did not implement. Nearly every bug in 1.89b that is still there stems from 1.88g. I think that bugged Scholomance outrance is the only new thing and it's a matter of 2 minutes in editor to fix. (locked alliances were hotfixed as far as I know)

To ENT Gaming mods: Please reconsider your verdict regarding 1.89b as it is a fine version in terms of bugs, a bit rough on the balance, but in a better shape than 1.88g (Druid of the Fangs anyone?). People just need to get a fresh perspective and I believe that a lot of angry voices here are more about being used to stagnancy than actual issues with the map.

[nabo.]

Once u guys fix immidiate bugs and balance, let me know.

It is probably easier to compromise with the 1.88 fans by doing so.

[Sindlad]

I think bug free and good balance would be best but Rhemar and other people lie and say that new map is balance and no bug when in truth there are many bugs and very unbalance. First they say 1.89 is balance and no bugs but when we play it there are many bugs and not balance. Same was for 1.89a and now 1.89b. I think we need people to play the map try it and only put it in the ent if it is truely balance and no bugs. Best if Rhemar and Ordo and Krotos and other members who dont play map anymore be honest that there are many bugs and not balance in new versions but somehow they must keep saying lie

[Ordo]

I think bug free and good balance would be best but Rhemar and other people lie and say that new map is balance and no bug when in truth there are many bugs and very unbalance. First they say 1.89 is balance and no bugs but when we play it there are many bugs and not balance. Same was for 1.89a and now 1.89b. I think we need people to play the map try it and only put it in the ent if it is truely balance and no bugs. Best if Rhemar and Ordo and Krotos and other members who dont play map anymore be honest that there are many bugs and not balance in new versions but somehow they must keep saying lie

Well nobody said 1.89 is perfect in terms of balance. Sure there are lot of problems that will be solved in time . But you cannot seriously compare it to 1.88g which was absolute imbalance (druids of the fang) . And in respect to bugs Sindlad yes 1.89b has like 1/3 of the bugs found in 1.88g. How do I know? Simple, I spent hours bugtesting and reloading the map over and over again so if you claim the new map has more bugs than that is objective lie. I am sorry but that's the truth. I still don't understand why do you keep defending 1.88g Sindlad? The map is horrendously bugged, half of the masteries don't do what they are supposed to do and don't even get me started on units like Druids of the Fang. You like that more than newer version with understandable starting problems?

[aRt)Y]

Azeroth Wars LR 1.88g.w3x is in fact hosted more often on MMH than 1.89 (~1K more).

[Sindlad]

Ent moderators please close thread, i dont want to have fight with Ordo and Rhemar and others because they no accept that 1.88g by SteakOnSpear is more popular than new versions. Many people from diplomunion and ent say that new versions is not as good as 1.88g but Rhemar, Ordo, Krotos just dont listen and they dont play map .