drawing and frustration

[MagicalMushroom]

Can we also have a talk about draw conditions in LTD x10 2v2?

I very often have experienced that the host has been choosing the wrong game mode (intentionally or not) and refused 2 draw the game level 1 due to it. Most of the time explaining to them that it is the wrong mode doesn't help at all. All I can do is reporting the host after the game; the game often takes 1 hour or more as it will most likely be -ap with every1 having greymane or hydra.

In my opinion every player should be forced to draw a game with an unannounced mode, or risk a ban like the host who chose the wrong mode. Rules should be changed to that, because the way it is now playing a game mode which you didn't wanna play initially, is super frustrating.

I hope this is the right place to talk about this with mods and people responsible for rules! Thanks!

TLDR: Drawing a game should be mandatory (risk of a ban) for every1 If the wrong mode was chosen

[nabo.]

@magicalmushroom

Split ur topic.

You are suppose to report those who are not setting sdgmcb.

@av1on @mrnoob

Automode sdgmcb good idea for ltdx10?

Im assuming you dont really need the time to send warriors on this map compared to en18 and ent31.

[MagicalMushroom]

@Nabo: Thanks for splitting!
The standard mode for x10 is not SDgmcb but hpgmcb and I think it shouldn't be sd to be honest.

[nabo.]

I meant hpgmcb automode

Got confused with mode on ltd beta

[Merex]

@nabo. Actually sending 2 warrs or even a dino on 1 is pretty crucial if you're looking to go for an early win, done it several times and a couple have resulted in 120+ leaks.

-hpgmcb is the best logical option for x10, the mix of units/strategies are solid.

[nabo.]

@av1on

As i said my comment about sdgmcb was a mistake. I meant hpgmcb.

So, will hpgmcb automode work or not? (Prophet will still need to be chosen by red ofc)

If automode, people may lose 1-2 second if dont make wisp right away when game starts = may fail to get 2 warriors.

[MrNoob]

auto hpgmcb mode will be fine. U can warriors anyway since u have some seconds after wave start to send for the same level.

@nabo

[nabo.]

@uakf.b

Set !hcl hpgmcb for ent5.

Ty

[MagicalMushroom]

Thats a cool suggestion! This will solve some of the problems. What happens though, when the host picks some other builder then prophet and didn't announce it beforehand in the lobby. Shouldn't it then be mandatory for every1 to draw the game no matter what?

[nabo.]

@MagicalMushroom

!draw is a vote, therefore, it will never be forced. You pause the game and ask players to draw.

If someone chooses non-default builder, either play it and report for ban if you want or ask for a draw. Other builders shouldnt be unplayable.

[MagicalMushroom]

@nabo Thanks for your answer, I personally just don't agree to it.
If you have to chose between either playin' the wrong mode (+reporting) and leaving the game and risk to be banned yourself due to leaver-buster, that’s just a bad decision to make. Now you could argue that it isn't that bad to play the "wrong" mode anyways, and this is true. Still if the host for example choses beast builder, the game will last most likely to level 20+ and therefore will last around 1 hour at least. That's a lot of time you spend on playin' a game you didn't wanna play in the first place.
Being forced to draw would just be the simplest solution to this problem (in my opinion) and I don't really understand the disadvantage of being forced to draw level 1 if the wrong mode was chosen.

Thanks for your time, Magicalmushroom

[nabo.]

@MagicalMushroom

LTDx10 is a broken map version of LTD Mega. You cannot argue about its bad balances. If one race or some tower is op, that is not my issue.

As for leavers, if one person leaves, you are free to leave without getting autobanned. So, invalid argument. If you dont want to play, leave. If you are leaving a ruined game on 2v2 and do get autobanned, appeal and explain why it was clearly a waste of time (if beast builder does get chosen) and perhaps a mod will understand you and approve your appeal.

I would make the game all prophet mode if possible, but no such mode exists for this version of ltd atm. As I said, forcing people to draw makes NO sense through a voting procedure. If you want to force everyone to draw, best option would be to autodraw the game with the bot. So, here are possible options:
Option 1) Play on or leave is your choice. If game is ruined, report it and violator gets banned.
Option 2) @uakf.b may be can code so game gets autodrawn if other builders aside prophet builder gets picked.
Option 3) @Halibel may be able to add all prophet (-phgmcb) mode.

[uakf.b]

The 2v2 bot can only have HCL up to four characters long.

[nabo.]

I totally forgot about hcl limit.

Well that sucks.

Gonna have to get by with what we got.