Player / maps removal.

[Tutko]

Hello, I was directed to post my appeal here.

I am one of the map editors of official M.Z.I maps & manager on our Official M.Z.I discord (link here https://discord.gg/jDABbku) and I'm posting this on behalf of ORIGINAL map creator ShinyPants (aka nicolas97p), and all of us from our community.

Some of our maps (M.Z.I Riverlands to be exact) has been stolen by an user that goes by Lions_Blood (has other accounts also, jibberjabber is one of them I believe) and when we confronted him about it, he denied all of it. ShinyPants tried to be cool about it, telling him if he wants to do work on his version of the map, at least use a different name but he just responded, something in lines of: "fuck you, I will take it over. Give up or I will crush you".

Here is part of the e-mail ShinyPants (aka nicolas97p) sent to LionsBlood:

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/239856881948950529/329247005777985546/Screenshot_20170627-150955.png

Here is response from LionsBlood:

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/239856881948950529/329246634036822016/Screenshot_20170627-150820.png

This is one of his earliest versions, where he clearly states that he himself is the map creator and that ShinyPants only helped (which he didn't, and he never shared the map with him):

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http://tools.eurobattle.net/tga2jpg/upload/32f7853a229005db57abdd89bfc8e8f4.jpg

In one of the latest versions. He's mocking map creator by referring him as "ShinyPanties" , when he clearly called him ShinyPants in his eariler releases (so he didn't misspell that), after we confronted him again:

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http://tools.eurobattle.net/tga2jpg/upload/7955b07bc81a70a2dcd1db8c6ce5af96.jpg

Nowdays we can't even speak to him directly because he banned both me and Shiny. He's toxic,spreading false stories about the map origins and trashtalking the original maps, stating that his map is superior (on a side note, it's not, it's hugely unbalanced, confirmed by many players ^^).
He uploaded his maps on both ENT and MMH. While people who host on ENT, can see who is the original map uploader, so they know which versions are official and which they should host, this option is not visible on MMH. His maps usually have "Final" phrase in them, but ocasionally he leaves it out (MMH only), so we can't tell the original version from the hacked one.

I am asking you all of ENT staff, to remove all unofficial mapps from both ENT and MMH (if you can do it on MMH) and to IP ban the user from posting any maps in the future on both of these sites. We tried asking him nicely to use a different name and give proper credits, but he refused, acted rude & continued to trashtalk.

Here is a list of his known HACKED maps

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http://www.deviantpics.com/N2D

If you want any further evidence I'll ask shinypants to give me entire mail conversatons (i'm talking via phone with him right now) and we can also provide unprotected map versions for evidence of our triggers, spells, terrain etc..

Please resolve this in a short matter, as he's becoming more toxic and has lately been spreading his maps even more.

[Nicolas97p]

ShinyPants here to confirm what he's saying is true.

[KiwiLeKiller]

Intellectual property is an important concept in modern society and I think ENT should respect it. I agree with you Tutko, those maps should be removed.

[aRt)Y]

So should 10000 other maps uploaded on ENT. See the issue?

[Timoren]

So, you are basically saying that ent approves stealing and hacking other ppl's work? Because not punishing it is basically letting it be and thrive. Especially when there is an actual complaint made about it. LionsBlood can basically laugh in our face and do whatever he wants, proceeding to spread lies? It's like with the law, if there was no punishment, everyone would be stealing. I understand that not everything can be tracked down, etc. but you are basically given all the information needed to use the ban hammer, yet still refuse to use it with no good reason. Maybe I don't see something in this, maybe I misunderstood you, but for me this is clear situation, unless some facts were avoided (doubtful).
I do see the issue, but even if punishing was neglected in the past, there is no reason to keep ignoring it. If it is a problem, then why not find a solution? Moreover, it is specifically kindly asked by a community (of MZI) to take care of it.
I apologize if I sound disrespectful, I am just expressing my honest opinion on the topic.
Sincerely,
Timoren

[Tutko]

1 thing is when u upload the maker's original map on ENT, other thing is when you hack it, change few things (read ruin the map) and then upload it as your own, spreading hacked map around. We're trying to build a community, and he's not helping

EDIT: and like Timoren posted above, I've provided you all the necessary information, including all the hacked map names (same as on ENT as are on MMH). Besides I haven't yet seen other 10000 complain about this issue, so this rly is a case of it's own

[aRt)Y]

I am more familiar with lions_blood than any of you given he has annoyed/spammed/hacked MMH games multiple times.

Regarding maps, ENT does not approve of it but we have an autonomous system in place for map approvals. Either we remove all auto-uploads and stick to official maps without a map approval process or we leave it as it is.

ENT's job is not to police maps. It is Blizzard's duty to give map developers the proper tools in order to protect the maps. Besides, we only get active if autohosted maps are affected. So to be honest, privately hosted games are not of interest; it's a free service without any strings attached, plus we do not even officially regulate them except for the third party rule. As the saying goes, dont expect too much when given something for free.

Additionally, it might start with lions_blood but then people ask for map x and y to be removed because.. "you did it once why not now".
I have no interest in setting a precedence of removing maps which, in your subjective view, are the worst possible hacked maps. Because frankly, just choose the map of uploaders you are familiar with.

[Tutko]

Then just IP ban him, so he can't play at all via ENT. You said yourself he is well known spammer/hacker and annoys people constantly. If you want to do it by the book, here are some of the rules he broke:

The use of any utility (FCD, maphack, stream sniping, etc.) that gives you an unfair advantage over other players will result in a heavy ban. - maphack, one of his mzi hacked maps had an unfair advantage for red player who gained more gold than any other players in the game. Not to mention all the other shit he did with the map, making it impossible to win for zombies.

Do not threat or mock community members and do not ddos or dox them. - threated shinypants he will "crush him" by spreading hackedmaps all over, killing the completition. He also mocked him by nicknaming him "shinypanties"

Let them ask for map removals. If they have a strong case like I presented here, why not ? Is it really so hard of the staff to spend 10 minutes of their time banning someone & deleting a few maps ? If you'd rather had server full of hacked maps & shit players than spare 10 mins of your time to change it, what does that say about ENT and it's staff ?

I'd like other mods & staff to review this case also, because you clearly made up your mind about it already.

EDIT: I just wanted to comment this saying of yours: "As the saying goes, dont expect too much when given something for free." Well the map we made are not for free. We spent months on them, and then continuously upated them through the following months/years. We didn't do it for "free". We invested our time & skills in it, so we expect it to be treated as such, and not make fun of as him and now you (by not protecting your member's rights) are doing right now

[HazarDous]

We do not have the resources to moderate every single map that is uploaded via on ENT.

Then just IP ban him, so he can't play at all via ENT. You said yourself he is well known spammer/hacker and annoys people constantly. If you want to do it by the book, here are some of the rules he broke:

^ goes to show you haven't given a serious thought on the issue at hand.

1. Private games aren't moderated except for Map Hack.
2. You acknowledge he is a "hacker", and yet, you ask us to merely IP ban him, as if that would solve the issue and prevent him to upload maps.


We've already given our input on this case; viewtopic.php?f=13&t=100164&p=395907#p395907

Protect your maps, that's all there is to do about it.

Denied.