Penalty should be more than just getting ban for leavers

[KungFuRandom]

My thoughts about people who rage quit and leaving games shouldn't just be temporarily banned. But should even lose there elo even if there team wins. I would think people who actually trying to win a 4v5 would deserve the stats more than the leaver. Dont know if this can ever happen but again just a thought. What you think?

Edit: adding to this. When player leave a game, lets say the game is worth 4 elo each player in a 5v5 dota and if a teammate rage quit and team still win should the leaver -4 elo instead of gaining. And also since he lost 4 elo can it be possible to top the 4 elo to evenly split to the other 4 remaining player? So the remaining player gets 5 elo. If this could happen I think it be more enjoyable play for the community because if you win than you deserve extra for the handicap. Because I myself always try hard to win all the time and fight to the end. I wonder what do all the players thinks of this

Kungfurandom

[Yondaime]

@uakf.b can this happen, it makes sense I am supporting this. People who rage quit should automatically lose any positive score they had and keep the negative score that adds on to theirs along with a drop of elo.

[VirusHunter]

this is a good idea! !support. but if you do this, does that mean if you lose should you lose an additional point? so instead of gaining or losing 4 as stated would you +/- 5 now?

[KungFuRandom]

this is a good idea! !support. but if you do this, does that mean if you lose should you lose an additional point? so instead of gaining or losing 4 as stated would you +/- 5 now?

Good point! I just thought of this suggestion out of no where, didn't think of it thoroughly.

So to answer the question .

1.Leaver should not only gain elo but should lose a penalty elo that u guy think is fair to set.

2. If the leaver leave than of course u lose the original elo u suppose to lose, plus deduct the penalty elo that u set for leaving ur team

3. Let say game is worth 4 elo, and team of 4 win, than they should split the 4 elo into 4 way.
That mean the player who stayed should be get the base 4 elo + 1 elo as bonus becuz of a leaver.

I believe doing this will actually motivate player to play at there best and more fun alot of player just give up becuz they think it 4 v 5 we lost.

Doing this will also help reduce leaver and will also help less ban appeal because of the risk.


What do you think?

[uakf.b]

How do you know they rage quit? Maybe game was already basically over. For example entire other team is AFK and they don't want to keep playing against AFK team. There are other less extreme situations...

[KungFuRandom]

How do you know they rage quit? Maybe game was already basically over. For example entire other team is AFK and they don't want to keep playing against AFK team. There are other less extreme situations...

What my point really is for this suggestion is that if its a 4 v 5 and the team of 4 wins. The leaver shouldn't get any elo from it. Because he obviously doesn't deserve for leaving.

I kind of agree w. u on the extreme case. But still if his team still manage to win the game obviously he don't deserve to win that elo correct?

[Naruto-fr]

I think to be really fair if someone has left before a certain % of the game, but his team has still won the game. The leaver should not win the ELO.

[VirusHunter]

I think to be really fair if someone has left before a certain % of the game, but his team has still won the game. The leaver should not win the ELO.

agree'd but it should be a high percentage like 85-90% of game played. this is to avoid people who really do lag out or something happens and they drop right before game ends.

[Palsgraf]

In a lot of cases a team would not win but for the player leaving. The added gold and items give the remaining players an advantage. I see no reason to not attribute the win to the leaver.

Furthermore, I believe the autoban system is a strong enough disincentive to prevent many from leaving. More often, people will sit in fountain and move to dodge -kickafk and avoid an autoban for leaving (even though it's a worse penalty to do that).

[KungFuRandom]

In a lot of cases a team would not win but for the player leaving. The added gold and items give the remaining players an advantage. I see no reason to not attribute the win to the leaver.

Furthermore, I believe the autoban system is a strong enough disincentive to prevent many from leaving. More often, people will sit in fountain and move to dodge -kickafk and avoid an autoban for leaving (even though it's a worse penalty to do that).

well. im mainly targeting that people who leave shouldn't get any winning elo, because they dont deserve it at all.

[VirusHunter]

the added gold/items almost never compensates for the loss of a player. 5 level 25's vs 4 level 25's (assuming it goes that long/far) its an almost impossible win for the team of 4. i mean depending on heros and items that everyone went. but back on topic what random suggests here is good. people who leave or drop within a certain amount of time before the game ends shouldnt be credited with the win or elo gain.

[uakf.b]

well. im mainly targeting that people who leave shouldn't get any winning elo, because they dont deserve it at all.

You're missing the point. It's impossible to differentiate between people who leave because they feel like it and people who leave because the game is essentially already over.

[KungFuRandom]

well. im mainly targeting that people who leave shouldn't get any winning elo, because they dont deserve it at all.

You're missing the point. It's impossible to differentiate between people who leave because they feel like it and people who leave because the game is essentially already over.

ahhhh. i totally understand what you mean. how about forget about the penalty. but if the team of 4 win than the leaver shouldnt be granted any elo at all.
i understand the system cant tell what is rage leaver and what is game over leaver. but if team does win, again than they dont deserve any elo. but if the team lose than he/she gets counted. is that possible?

[uakf.b]

I don't know, I think the ban penatly is bigger penalty already.

[VirusHunter]

I don't know, I think the ban penatly is bigger penalty already.

yes, but not everyone gets banned for leaving. i do like what bgn does, if the game doesnt end within 5 minutes of someone leaving then that person gets a temporary ban.